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TJFreaky24

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Question for the pro shop guys & others...
« on: November 15, 2004, 03:16:39 AM »
Is it possible to get more backend out of the ball? Is so...What do I need to do in order to get this to happen? I'd rather not redrill if possible. Thanks.
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Re: Question for the pro shop guys & others...
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2004, 11:19:23 AM »
I'm mostly just curious, but the ball I had this idea about was my Track Hex-plosion.
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Re: Question for the pro shop guys & others...
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2004, 11:24:30 AM »
You can do several things that will make a ball have a later/sharper break and most people consider that to be more back end.

One is to polish the ball, this allows the ball to store energy longer and break sharper when it encounters dry boards.

Two is to raise the pin in relation to the grip, pin’s that are above the fingers go longer. Also pins that are not in the maximum leverage position go longer as well as they don’t flare as much therefore not exposing fresh ball surface to lane.

Three is to add finger weight.

Four is label drills with the CG in the palm tend to go longer and then flip.



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Re: Question for the pro shop guys & others...
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2004, 11:32:41 AM »
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Another is to add a weight hole. Putting a weight hole in the thumb quadrant will add a bit of length and snap.



Actually, quite the opposite effect.
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Nick, wouldn't putting a wt. hole in the thumb quadrant be equivalent to adding finger wt?  And doesn't finger wt. = length?  Don't know about snap, but seems to me that an xhole by the thumb would give more length.
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Re: Question for the pro shop guys & others...
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2004, 11:36:34 AM »
But you are negating the fact that you are also removing side weight.  Side weight will help to push the ball down the lane as well.  By removing this weight you are going to make the ball hook earlier.  Also depending on excatly where the weight hole is dependant to his PAP you could end up with a hook-set reaction.

If you wanted to just add finger weight you can drill the thumb deeper, but this will remove top weight as well.
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Re: Question for the pro shop guys & others...
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2004, 08:31:03 PM »
Basically the only way to add more back end is to drill a small weight hole away from your PAP at a sever angle to increase the backend, yes this sill start the ball a little soon but the drastic angle of the hole away from your PAP will creat more tun when the ball hits the dry.

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Re: Question for the pro shop guys & others...
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2004, 09:02:20 PM »
All of Track's polished balls start at 1000 grit wet sand and then polish is added. I suggest hitting it with 1500 or 2000 and then polish it with Magic Shine or equivalent. This will make a bigger difference than a balance hole, since ball surface/cover makes up about 70% of a balls reaction. If you want to add finger weight you could also drill the thumb deeper instead of a balance hole in the thumb quadrant to alleviate removing side weight or use a combination of deeper thumb and hole in thumb quad, I would place the hole 1-2" inside VAL this should reduce the flare potential a bit.
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Re: Question for the pro shop guys & others...
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2004, 10:22:00 PM »
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Any time you put an extra hole in the ball, the ball will lose axis rotation faster, using up energy earlier, and make the ball roll earlier.  



That is not true a hole that adds to any of the positive weights (positive side, top, finger) will give a small amount of extra length.

Granted a hole in the thumb quad is adding to finger and removing from top and positive side so the added finger weight is negated to some degree, but the positioning of the hole can reduce track flare which will give more length due to less fresh cover for friction.

For a balance hole to have the highest impact on added length it would need to be in the negative thumb quad which would add the most to the positive weights but depending on where he tracks and how much flare he gets this may not be possible with out rolling over the balance hole. That is why I didn't mention it before, not to mention it is uncommon/unorthodox.


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Re: Question for the pro shop guys & others...
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2004, 06:33:11 AM »
I disagree static weights are relevant.

They may rank behind ball construction (RG, Diff), cover stock(type and surface prep), and drilling but they are relevant and affect the roll of a ball.