Author Topic: Synthetic lanes tend to shine up balls? (Read 2505 times)

no300yet · « **on:** November 10, 2009, 05:01:00 PM »

I always bowl on newer and oily synthetic lanes and may balls seldom get scratches or nicks. However, my solid balls would appear to be all "shined up" after about 25 games( "look" like 4000 grit polished).

My question is: if I get a ball with around 800 grits coverstock, wouldn't it take a lot of maintenance to keep the stock finish? Less work to get something like 2000?

kmanestor22 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 11, 2009, 06:09:00 AM »

While rolling the ball will change the surface "grit", it is oil giving the shiny appearance. A good cleaner will restore it to a dull look without sanding. it is important to clean a dull ball every session. As said before, touch up the surface with a wet sand every 20-30 games.
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LaneHammer20 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 11, 2009, 06:52:58 AM »

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While rolling the ball will change the surface "grit", it is oil giving the shiny appearance. A good cleaner will restore it to a dull look without sanding. it is important to clean a dull ball every session. As said before, touch up the surface with a wet sand every 20-30 games.
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+! on this statement. You have to do maintenance on any ball, especially a dull ball. Get you some good every day cleaner you can use right after you get done bwoling. I also HIGHLY recommend picking up some Ebonite Clean and Dull, best deep cleanere around that really sucks out the oil. Use that every 9 games with a dull oil ball. Every 12-15 with anything polished or at higher grit in my opinion.
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tekneek · « **Reply #3 on:** November 11, 2009, 07:36:28 AM »

I'm more inclined to believe it is the type of oil used and how it is absorbed by the cover that leads to the "shine" from bowling.
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no300yet · « **Reply #4 on:** November 11, 2009, 09:15:37 PM »

Thanks a lot guys! I do clean my balls after use but since I don't have a ball spinner I seldom resurface: don't trust my hands too much

. I tried that a few times but it "seemed" to make it worse: lost backend and carry.

I'll just try to stick with balls that work best at 1500-2000 grit. Thanks again!

BeansProShop · « **Reply #5 on:** November 11, 2009, 09:33:49 PM »

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A ball typically shines up to the numerical surface friction of the lane itself. For instance some synthetic surfaces are around 1500 to 2000grit. Your ball eventually shines up to that surface grit after prolonged use. Usually around 10 games.

Thanks. You saved me some typing.. He is exactly right... beans
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kmanestor22 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 12, 2009, 05:57:52 AM »

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It's based more on the surface of the lane than the oil itself. The surface grit of the lane is what shines the ball up. Right out of the mouth of Lou Marquez at Turbo Tech.

Then Lou Marquez is a fool. I'm sure you're just mis-quoting him. Oil shines the ball up, lane surface brings the ball up or down to a surface somewhere around 800 grit. The actual grit and how many games it takes varies.
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TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #7 on:** November 12, 2009, 06:09:55 AM »

So some say lane surface and I have always heard it is the oil that does it. So why dont we compromise and say it is the oil that acts like a polish and the lane surface is the towel/buffer that rubs it in. Combination of the two.
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kmanestor22 · « **Reply #8 on:** November 12, 2009, 06:27:07 AM »

That''s basically what I am saying. Oil acts as a simple polish. It can be removed without sanding with a good cleaner. The lane acts like your Abralon or scotch brite pad. You have to sand the ball to remove the effects.
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Edited on 11/12/2009 7:27 AM

charlest · « **Reply #9 on:** November 12, 2009, 06:42:03 AM »

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Thanks a lot guys! I do clean my balls after use but since I don't have a ball spinner I seldom resurface: don't trust my hands too much . I tried that a few times but it "seemed" to make it worse: lost backend and carry.

I'll just try to stick with balls that work best at 1500-2000 grit. Thanks again!

If after cleaning your balls, you still see oil shine or oil shine lines, no matter what is causing it, maybe you just need a stronger cleaner.

Powerhouse's Clean and Dull and Neo-Tac's Hook-It are the strongest deep cleaners I know of. You would normally use these every 3 sessions or maybe once a month. If your cleaner is not removing the results of sone session's oil shine, try one of these, if only to see if this is the problem.

Also if your ball is are 800 grit, you can also use Valentino's Resurrection. It is a powerful cleaner meant to "resurrect" a ball that has absorbed too much oil or been changed somehow. It has abrasives in it and using it either by hand or by spinner will restore the cover and remove any foreign substances from the surface leaving an 800 grit matte finish to the ball. Really good stuff. If used by spinner the final result will have the slightest of shines, so if you want to leave it matte or dull, just do the last few rubbings by hand.

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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 12, 2009, 09:24:04 AM »

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Thanks a lot guys! I do clean my balls after use but since I don't have a ball spinner I seldom resurface: don't trust my hands too much . I tried that a few times but it "seemed" to make it worse: lost backend and carry.

I'll just try to stick with balls that work best at 1500-2000 grit. Thanks again!

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If after cleaning your balls, you still see oil shine or oil shine lines, no matter what is causing it, maybe you just need a stronger cleaner.

Powerhouse's Clean and Dull and Neo-Tac's Hook-It are the strongest deep cleaners I know of. You would normally use these every 3 sessions or maybe once a month. If your cleaner is not removing the results of sone session's oil shine, try one of these, if only to see if this is the problem.

Also if your ball is are 800 grit, you can also use Valentino's Resurrection. It is a powerful cleaner meant to "resurrect" a ball that has absorbed too much oil or been changed somehow. It has abrasives in it and using it either by hand or by spinner will restore the cover and remove any foreign substances from the surface leaving an 800 grit matte finish to the ball. Really good stuff. If used by spinner the final result will have the slightest of shines, so if you want to leave it matte or dull, just do the last few rubbings by hand.

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no300yet · « **Reply #11 on:** November 13, 2009, 12:28:58 AM »

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Thanks a lot guys! I do clean my balls after use but since I don't have a ball spinner I seldom resurface: don't trust my hands too much . I tried that a few times but it "seemed" to make it worse: lost backend and carry.

I'll just try to stick with balls that work best at 1500-2000 grit. Thanks again!

If after cleaning your balls, you still see oil shine or oil shine lines, no matter what is causing it, maybe you just need a stronger cleaner.

Powerhouse's Clean and Dull and Neo-Tac's Hook-It are the strongest deep cleaners I know of. You would normally use these every 3 sessions or maybe once a month. If your cleaner is not removing the results of sone session's oil shine, try one of these, if only to see if this is the problem.

Also if your ball is are 800 grit, you can also use Valentino's Resurrection. It is a powerful cleaner meant to "resurrect" a ball that has absorbed too much oil or been changed somehow. It has abrasives in it and using it either by hand or by spinner will restore the cover and remove any foreign substances from the surface leaving an 800 grit matte finish to the ball. Really good stuff. If used by spinner the final result will have the slightest of shines, so if you want to leave it matte or dull, just do the last few rubbings by hand.

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Great info! None of my balls came with grit lower than 1000 and they look clean after cleaning. They just seem to get smoother and smoother.

I thought about trying one at 600 or 800 but never got around to do it. Now I have grown a little stronger I have decided to get a heavier ball for heavy oil, and leave the lighter balls for lighter oil. I "might" try one of my older balls at 600 and see.

Thanks so much!

kmanestor22 · « **Reply #12 on:** November 16, 2009, 05:59:02 AM »

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This is why I do not post on this boards much anymore. After many years, thousands of dollars of research and time in the industry. Studying the pro shop industry, bowling on the pro tour...you still have to deal with idiots that think they know more than you do, and try to prove it by being the internet tough guy.

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It''s based more on the surface of the lane than the oil itself. The surface grit of the lane is what shines the ball up. Right out of the mouth of Lou Marquez at Turbo Tech.

Then Lou Marquez is a fool. I''m sure you''re just mis-quoting him. Oil shines the ball up, lane surface brings the ball up or down to a surface somewhere around 800 grit. The actual grit and how many games it takes varies.
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Edited on 11/13/2009 1:21 PM

I'd say you're part of the problem. You provided bad information and name dropped. You were corrected. If you don't want to be corrected by someone who knows the correct answer and can explain why, then don't post here.
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lenstanles703 · « **Reply #13 on:** November 16, 2009, 06:35:03 AM »

If all you need is a good cleaner then why do balls need to be resurfaced?
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