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Take Cores out Bowling Balls. What would happen?
« on: March 10, 2010, 05:39:14 AM »
If the USBC and PBA came out with a new rule that no more cores in bowling balls (Only top weight).

What would happen?
(Besides a mass exodous of bowlers leaving the sport of bowling)

Coverstock choices would only be left for bowlers.

In a competitive environment, would this favor a certain style of bowler?

Could you still get legal creative drillings? Alowing a ball to hook early/late?


How tough would it be for some bowlers?


Would we need all these exotic lane conditions out there?


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Re: Take Cores out Bowling Balls. What would happen?
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2010, 01:55:51 PM »
Wouldn''t that be what we had back in the day of the pankacake block?
Rhino''s and Udot''s ruled the lanes, and then came the U2, and phantom''s,
and the rest as they say is history.

Now that there is such a wide choice of covers, I would like to go back to the pancake, I thin it would be fun.
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Re: Take Cores out Bowling Balls. What would happen?
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2010, 02:06:10 PM »
balls would still have plenty of hook potential... flare would be reduced largely as well as entry angle = less strikes
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Re: Take Cores out Bowling Balls. What would happen?
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2010, 02:15:54 PM »
Creative coverstocks would rule the world of bowling
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Re: Take Cores out Bowling Balls. What would happen?
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2010, 02:19:09 PM »
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Wouldn't that be what we had back in the day of the pankacake block?
Rhino's and Udot's ruled the lanes, and then came the U@, and phantom's,
and the rest as they say is history.

Now that there is such a wide choice of covers, I would like to go back to the pancake, I thin it would be fun.
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+1 instead of a scale at nationals, they would have an x-ray machine to scan for cores lol.
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Re: Take Cores out Bowling Balls. What would happen?
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2010, 04:06:40 PM »
I'd be game for that.  Or at least everything has to have the same core, or a significantly lower limit on differential.  Let the coverstock be the difference.  It would create the need for some companies to have more covers, wouldn't it?
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Re: Take Cores out Bowling Balls. What would happen?
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2010, 04:32:25 PM »
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Creative coverstocks would rule the world of bowling


I'm curious what you mean by this.  Would you mind elaborating?

I think this would be nothing short of amazingly fun, just pancakes and stronger covers.  I'd like to give it a go myself.
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Re: Take Cores out Bowling Balls. What would happen?
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2010, 04:35:26 PM »
With todays covers you could still produce power but the entry angle would be reduce a little. That would equal less carry and aves would go down 10/15 pins approx. Just a loss of 2 strikes a set and the need to pick up 2 more spares a set would bring down aves. I think you would still see a lot of honor scores.
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Re: Take Cores out Bowling Balls. What would happen?
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2010, 04:42:10 PM »
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With todays covers you could still produce power but the entry angle would be reduce a little. That would equal less carry and aves would go down 10/15 pins approx. Just a loss of 2 strikes a set and the need to pick up 2 more spares a set would bring down aves. I think you would still see a lot of honor scores.
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^ this
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Re: Take Cores out Bowling Balls. What would happen?
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2010, 05:11:29 PM »
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With todays covers you could still produce power but the entry angle would be reduce a little. That would equal less carry and aves would go down 10/15 pins approx. Just a loss of 2 strikes a set and the need to pick up 2 more spares a set would bring down aves. I think you would still see a lot of honor scores.
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^ this


 Wrong.

  Bowling center owners would adjust oil patterns (as they ALWAYS HAVE) to allow for maximum scoring. The only averages that would fall would be those of people dependent on technology instead of skill.

 Many would still average 220 and above, with many 300's and 800's still being shot, but 900's would all but disappear.

 Bowling isn't about weightblocks, it's about FRICTION. You get enough friction in the right place, and you can strike with a NYLON bowling ball or, God forbid, a Lignum Vitae wooden ball.  Allie Brandt shot 886 with a RUBBER ball guys (it was 1939), not a reactive resin, gyroscopic bomb like we throw today.





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Re: Take Cores out Bowling Balls. What would happen?
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2010, 07:12:55 PM »
Track flare would become allmost nonexistent, meaning that reactive coverstocks would die much quicker. High speed bowlers who rely on quick revving cores and negative axis tilt would have to change their speed and release to get more forward roll. As stated earlier entry angles would decrease somewhat.
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Re: Take Cores out Bowling Balls. What would happen?
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2010, 08:09:24 PM »
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Re: Take Cores out Bowling Balls. What would happen?
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2010, 06:54:39 AM »
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With todays covers you could still produce power but the entry angle would be reduce a little. That would equal less carry and aves would go down 10/15 pins approx. Just a loss of 2 strikes a set and the need to pick up 2 more spares a set would bring down aves. I think you would still see a lot of honor scores.
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^ this


 Wrong.

  Bowling center owners would adjust oil patterns (as they ALWAYS HAVE) to allow for maximum scoring. The only averages that would fall would be those of people dependent on technology instead of skill.

 Many would still average 220 and above, with many 300's and 800's still being shot, but 900's would all but disappear.

 Bowling isn't about weightblocks, it's about FRICTION. You get enough friction in the right place, and you can strike with a NYLON bowling ball or, God forbid, a Lignum Vitae wooden ball.  Allie Brandt shot 886 with a RUBBER ball guys (it was 1939), not a reactive resin, gyroscopic bomb like we throw today.





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I think that is the point that is being made.....

You would be surprised at the number of bowlers that deoend on the ball.
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Re: Take Cores out Bowling Balls. What would happen?
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2010, 07:09:02 AM »
This would, IMHO, to a certain degree put more focus on accuracy. Pancake core balls hardly roll the way low RG-cored pieces do, so some "drive" is taken out of a ball entering the pins. We will see less stone 8 and 9 pins.

Additionally, I'd guess that the game will more concentrate in the 1st to 2nd arrow area on the lane. The balls would go pretty straight, and the coverstock friction would make the ball curve in less dramatically than with a true core (depending on setup of the latter). Anyway, without a demanding oil pattern, I do not see much change in results, though. You still can create angle with a straighter line, and I'd guess that higher speed/lower revs bowlers would get "punished" most by this measure.
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Re: Take Cores out Bowling Balls. What would happen?
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2010, 07:36:37 AM »
Why I posted these questions was I recently watched the plastic ball tournament on youtube from last year. These guys sanded these balls to 500 grit and were getting them to move pretty good. It also seemed they had some pretty interesting layouts too.

Can you drill a ball legally and get it to flare a little?

I would think a reactive ball would move pretty good without a core (Maybe not as much), but I really don't know.

 



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