Author Topic: Take Cores out Bowling Balls. What would happen? (Read 6308 times)

trash heap · « **on:** March 10, 2010, 05:39:14 AM »

If the USBC and PBA came out with a new rule that no more cores in bowling balls (Only top weight).

What would happen?
(Besides a mass exodous of bowlers leaving the sport of bowling)

Coverstock choices would only be left for bowlers.

In a competitive environment, would this favor a certain style of bowler?

Could you still get legal creative drillings? Alowing a ball to hook early/late?

How tough would it be for some bowlers?

Would we need all these exotic lane conditions out there?

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Badger856 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 11, 2010, 07:46:13 AM »

noodlejester....I was thinking companies wouldn't need to use R&D dollars for coming up with new cores they would spend that budget on new chemical formulas for covers. I think we would see companies chemical engineers look into other directions than urethane/resin.

Oskuposer · « **Reply #17 on:** March 11, 2010, 07:50:31 AM »

You would not have flare migration it would be basically a solid band of oil. If you want to lower scores take the low rg cores away. That is alot more help than people think."Im a hack and throw it 17mph and no revs why won't it hook?" Because not being able to get the ball into an early enough roll will result in the ball hydroplaning. Thats when duller coverstocks come into play.
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T C 300 · « **Reply #18 on:** March 11, 2010, 08:51:35 AM »

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I'd also guess that if beer were no longer allowed or sold in bowling centers, 75% of all open AND league bowlers would never enter those doors again. Well, also without beer, the price for a game would easily rise by $1 -2 per game.

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ya and right afetr they raise open play price, there doors would close for good due to lack of income!!!! LOL i still wish this on every amf house ive set foot in

dizzyfugu · « **Reply #19 on:** March 11, 2010, 10:22:21 AM »

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Can you drill a ball legally and get it to flare a little?

I'd try it the classic way and apply either a Label leverage setup (which avoids a balance hole) or a stacked leverage drilling. While the differential of a pancake is small (.02), you can create some flare. But most traction will still come from the surface and friction with the lane surface - you do not get much PSA migration help from the "core" at all.
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JohnP · « **Reply #20 on:** March 12, 2010, 07:12:37 PM »

I checked the PAP for a customer recently using a Maxim and it flared quite a bit. Nothing special about the layout, cg near grip center - I drilled it for a left hander and he was right handed, but that shouldn't have made any difference. I have no idea why it flared, I've never seen another one do that. -- JohnP

Juggernaut · « **Reply #21 on:** March 12, 2010, 07:39:59 PM »

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I checked the PAP for a customer recently using a Maxim and it flared quite a bit. Nothing special about the layout, cg near grip center - I drilled it for a left hander and he was right handed, but that shouldn't have made any difference. I have no idea why it flared, I've never seen another one do that. -- JohnP

It MIGHT have something to do with the total topweight, and the placement of it.

Years ago, I had a white dot with a full 3oz of topweight after drilling, drilled to have 3/4oz positive side and 3/4oz finger, that would flare about 3-4 inches.

Ball outhooked other white dots and seemed to really move the pins around more as well. We didn't understand what was going on, but knew the ball was legal, so we didn't worry about it. Shot an 800 one day while practicing with it. Wish I still had the thing.
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bighook69 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 12, 2010, 08:01:13 PM »

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Why I posted these questions was I recently watched the plastic ball tournament on youtube from last year. These guys sanded these balls to 500 grit and were getting them to move pretty good. It also seemed they had some pretty interesting layouts too.

Can you drill a ball legally and get it to flare a little?

I would think a reactive ball would move pretty good without a core (Maybe not as much), but I really don't know.

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Pin on PAP drilling, little to no flare if done right

Juggernaut · « **Reply #23 on:** March 12, 2010, 08:06:49 PM »

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Why I posted these questions was I recently watched the plastic ball tournament on youtube from last year. These guys sanded these balls to 500 grit and were getting them to move pretty good. It also seemed they had some pretty interesting layouts too.

Can you drill a ball legally and get it to flare a little?

I would think a reactive ball would move pretty good without a core (Maybe not as much), but I really don't know.

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Pin on PAP drilling, little to no flare if done right

I understand how you took the remark, but I think he meant can you drill a pancake type core so that it will have some flare, NOT if you could drill the flare out of a cored ball.
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trash heap · « **Reply #24 on:** March 15, 2010, 01:03:49 PM »

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All this talk on this topic in this thread and others is really about lowering other people''s performance level down to meet somebody else''s lower performance level. Here''s a unique idea...get some coaching and take some lessons and practice til you raise your performance level to that of your competition.

My statement in this post was this: If you took the cores out of the ball what would happen? With all the high friction coverstocks can bowlers still get a ball to turn. I saw the pros using 500 grit plastic and getting them to move.

It''s not just about scores and bringing somebody''s score down. My opinion is the talented bowlers adjust. They have the gift and desire to bowl.

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Don''t expect ball companies and lane men to do it for you.

Well that is what is happenning right now! Why do we have the THS? Why is it that every ball company out there is hyping up the next ball they produced?

Most bowlers today don''t talk about practice. They talk about bowling balls to fill holes when they have trouble. I will state it first, I am guilty of doing this.

Do we need the technology? I am not stating that having core in a ball is bad, I am asking does a bowling ball need a core and if we took it out how much of a difference would there be?

Do we need to pay this kind of money into a bowling ball?

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jbruno6 · « **Reply #25 on:** March 15, 2010, 01:12:34 PM »

Why is everyone 20-30 pins lower on PBAX shots if the cores make us bowl good? Put down the US Open shot and drill up the entire pro shop, wheel it out on a u-boat, and see if we can average 200 for 8.

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J_w73 · « **Reply #26 on:** March 19, 2010, 03:51:29 PM »

Scores are up because of the technology of the lane machines..
They can fully strip and put out a precisionly placed and metered pattern night after night..
If it is the technology of the balls then why would people even think about going back to older technology urethane... I know these new urethane balls have new and improved cores but we have a guy that averaged 230 last year using an old urethane ball from the late 80''s.. early 90''s..
back then 200 still meant you were pretty good.. he would have been a god if he did that back then.. guess what, he didn''t.. he was good but only averaged about 210 or so..
Like said though,.. a shot can be put out that technology of the ball can not overcome.
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TamerBowling · « **Reply #27 on:** March 20, 2010, 11:10:14 AM »

A lot of people hit on several good points here. The reality is that many or arguably most house bowlers rely heavily on the THS. It is more consistently put out nowadays. Most house bowlers do not want to get into a sport league or PBAx. When they do, they realize how much more difficult it is. Frustrated bowlers leave the sport. Competitive bowlers enjoy the challenge. Houses are mostly competing with each other locally to generate the highest averages and most honor scores. It drives more house bowlers to their house. It's a business after all.
As for the cores, they do help the THB. They make the balls more dynamic, picking up a few more boards in the midlane and backend. Just look at how many times Storm used the R2S cover with different cores, i.e., Reign of Fire vs Furious or Reign vs Fast.
I've discussed with pros locally the idea of standardizing cores. You're idea is pretty similar, going back to a pancake only.
I honestly think it's a reasonable suggestion and I would love to compete in that setting. But as long as the market demands Invasions and Mutant Cells, the Razyrs and Tornados will take a back seat. Many better bowlers thrive with these "lower end" balls in their arsenal!
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trash heap · « **Reply #28 on:** March 20, 2010, 12:35:26 PM »

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Getting the semantics aside, surface accounts for 70% of ball reaction, so going back to pancake weight blocks would have a small impact on scoring without flattening the oil patterns significantly.

Based on this....then why do we need them? If it has a small impact on scoring..why are companies to far reaches to get creative with cores.

TamerBowling · « **Reply #29 on:** March 20, 2010, 12:46:18 PM »

It is true the coverstock is 70-75% of the reaction, but the core dynamics play ~20% role. In other words, it's not totally negligible.
As I said, compare the same cover of the Reign of Fire vs the Furious. The factory finish is different, but if you make them both 2000 abralon, you will find some differences. This will amount to the core. Sometimes, the core dynamics will be enough to change the entry angle slightly and change carry.

Nevertheless, I still wouldn't mind if the cores were standardized.
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