Author Topic: Talent- Is it more the ball or the bowler? (Read 4846 times)

leftybowler70 · « **on:** December 29, 2011, 07:01:09 AM »

I've been dying to know what you guys think of this topic. I know balls are more dynamic these days and they make it easier to use to cover a lot of boards and score and more, but it is a lot of very talented bowlers Out here who have a lot of talent that work on all parts of their game and can use 20 year old equipment.

Me personally new stuff helps,but I also use old balls urethane, etc and can hook the whole lane.

What do you guys think its more of?

glssmn2001 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 29, 2011, 03:08:02 PM »

If we take the high powered balls out of the equation the better bowlers are still going to win, the score will just be at a lower pace. Does the new equipment make a lesser bowler better, sure, but I do not see the lesser bowler beating the top bowlers. Not around here anyways.

milorafferty · « **Reply #2 on:** December 29, 2011, 04:08:41 PM »

Honestly, I think it goes both ways. I see a lot of house bowlers who would benefit from a less powerful ball. They can strike if they find that exact sweet spot on the lane, but usually the stronger ball will reduce their average.

I equate it to putting a novice driver in a high performance car, they may go fast now and then, but eventually it just becomes too much for them to control.

kidlost2000 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 29, 2011, 04:36:10 PM »

If your throwing the ball good, the equipment doesn't matter. If your throwing the ball bad equipment doesn't matter.

There are times when equipment certainly helps, but so does the shot. If your good then you will make the right moves and spares no matter what the condition. Good bowlers makes spares.

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Stan · « **Reply #4 on:** December 29, 2011, 08:31:37 PM »

I see many bowlers spraying the ball all over the lanes averaging over 220. I also see some bowlers who do not release the ball the same way twice averaging over 200. Guess what I am saying is that all high average bowlers are not that good. I also see some bowlers that have real solid games but have a hard time carrying. These are normally the folks that can not afford to buy a new ball every month.

To answer your question, I think its a combo of equipment and lane patterns.

leftybowler70 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 29, 2011, 09:37:40 PM »

Thanks for the replies guys. I can admit for many years all I cared about was getting every ball to make me better, but quickly learned its all about fundamentals stricking and spare shooting and making adjustments.

While I have a dozen balls, I mostly use my plastic and have some of my highest games and series with it so I can improve my fundamentals.

« **Reply #6 on:** December 30, 2011, 12:54:10 AM »

I agree with those who have said that both are important. Nothing is more important than a bowler who can repeat shots, but if that same bowler can repeat shots AND has a great match-up with the condition it's tough to beat.

I see it all the time where Bowler A wants to play his favorite part of the lane and will go through 5 balls trying to make that line work. In the meantime, Bowler B relies on his shot making expertise and lane reading ability to "grind out" the victory making adjustments on the lane instead of trying ball after ball after ball...

Both are nice, but I will take talent first and foremost.

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Russell · « **Reply #7 on:** December 30, 2011, 11:19:42 AM »

It's always talent....ball matchup is just a small piece of it. Sean Rash isn't Sean Rash because he's got a good ball in his hands, it's because he's incredibly talented. Yes technology plays a role, but no more than a 5 iron vs. a 6 iron does in golf. Meaning that a good golfer isn't made great by golf clubs, but a golfer can be made bad by constantly hitting the wrong clubs from the wrong yardages. I've found over the years that no matter how easy or hard the lanes are, how the formats are run, that the cream eventually find their way to the top.

Little known fact: In Russian "Hope" and "Change" translate to "Tax" and "Spend"

Inverted 1 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 30, 2011, 11:26:49 AM »

Russell wrote on 12/30/2011 12:19 PM:
It's always talent....ball matchup is just a small piece of it. Sean Rash isn't Sean Rash because he's got a good ball in his hands, it's because he's incredibly talented. Yes technology plays a role, but no more than a 5 iron vs. a 6 iron does in golf. Meaning that a good golfer isn't made great by golf clubs, but a golfer can be made bad by constantly hitting the wrong clubs from the wrong yardages. I've found over the years that no matter how easy or hard the lanes are, how the formats are run, that the cream eventually find their way to the top.

Little known fact: In Russian "Hope" and "Change" translate to "Tax" and "Spend"

David Lee Yskes · « **Reply #9 on:** December 30, 2011, 08:51:59 PM »

Well ... are you talking something when someone is a " good " bowler?? or when people realize someone has the skills to be a good bowler....

I mean if your just talking " talent " its always going to be the person not the ball.... look at the PBA plastic ball tournys.....

I will take talent over the bowling ball all day long...

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strikeking · « **Reply #10 on:** December 31, 2011, 10:41:56 AM »

Earl Anthony was the best there was in his time, but I doubt that he could beat the top bowlers of today IF each bowler was using the equipment of his era, but he would definitely beat the "wanna' bes". It's true in any sport activity that the person that masters the equipment available the best will be on top. It's like comparing "apples and oranges".

Strikeking

RyanRPS · « **Reply #11 on:** December 31, 2011, 01:13:43 PM »

On anything but a wall, its the bowler. Full Stop.

glssmn2001 wrote on 29/12/2011 4:08 PM: Talent - is it more the ball or the bowler?

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EFFEN 10 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 31, 2011, 04:29:51 PM »

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RyanRPS wrote on 12/31/2011 2:13 PM:
On anything but a wall, its the bowler. Full Stop.

glssmn2001 wrote on 29/12/2011 4:08 PM:

Talent - is it more the ball or the bowler?

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Zanatos1914 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 09, 2012, 12:24:57 PM »

I would say both -- Ball, Bowler and Condition have to match for the best possible score

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scotts33 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 09, 2012, 12:42:00 PM »

House walls....it's the lane condition 1st priority.

On even blended condition or flatter then ball and talent equally.

Scott

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