Author Topic: I was told the pro's do this.... (Read 2560 times)

David Lee Yskes · « **on:** February 26, 2010, 02:20:35 AM »

So, I had this bowling coach who I've been seeing for the past month or so, tell me a few weeks ago, that the Pro's basically use the same drill patterns on thier bowling balls, and just adjust the surface to get a different reaction, not drill up a new ball...

Of course, I didnt want to argue or anything, but I just found it to be a lil laugh-able to say the pro's dont use different drill patterns.....
--------------------
" Lift Your Skirt Grab Your Balls and Learn How to Bowl " http://coolluvr4u1976.bowlspace.com/

For my vids on youtube - search coolluvr4u1976

TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 26, 2010, 10:28:46 AM »

To an extent, it can be true. You are not going to see many pros using layouts with pins 2 inches from there PAP. For them to score from multiple angles, they need the continuation and backend reaction. Barnes a couple weeks ago at the Masters said on tv that he was going to use a ball with the pin 5 1/2 from his axis (length drilling) and a weight hole down ON A TIGHT LINE.

Another thing, is that if they bowl internationally, different countries have different rules (heard this from Belmonte himself). Belmonte says he uses pins around the bridge and no weight holes and just uses surface adjustments to adjust breakpoint spot.

Summary: Your coach is not totally wrong, but not sure if he is totally right, either.
--------------------

If anyone out there is worried about the scores being too high, try duckpin!!

DanH78 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 26, 2010, 11:03:46 AM »

A lot of the pros have a handful of layouts they really like and they use them on the majority of their stuff.

Look at Jeff Carter's arsenal for example. I see a lot of minor variations on the same few layouts.

So if he's saying that the pro's use 1 layout on every ball, then yes, he is wrong. But if he meant they use a couple and do a lot of stuff with surface, I would agree with him.
--------------------
It IS next year!

n00dlejester · « **Reply #3 on:** February 26, 2010, 12:33:26 PM »

From the conversations I've had with PB III, he has 2 or 3 drillings he is comfortable with, and alters surface as necessary. He also said he will use stuff he normally doesn't when necessary, but for the most part it seems like surface is key.

Personally speaking, I find myself really leaning towards 2 or 3 layouts that I know work well for me, and adjust surface as necessary.
--------------------
Proud Supporter of Rob Stone
Obviously, you aren't a golfer.
Some stayed in the foothills, some washed logs like teeth.

JessN16 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 26, 2010, 08:01:29 PM »

Tony Reyes was interviewed in BTM a couple of years ago and said he basically used two drillings, pin-over-ring and pin-under-ring. I think he said he had a couple of other balls that he kept around just in case but the majority of his stuff was drilled one of only those two ways.

Jess

dougb · « **Reply #5 on:** February 26, 2010, 09:57:54 PM »

quote:
Tony Reyes was interviewed in BTM a couple of years ago and said he basically used two drillings, pin-over-ring and pin-under-ring. I think he said he had a couple of other balls that he kept around just in case but the majority of his stuff was drilled one of only those two ways.

Jess

Did he say where he placed the cg?

Tex · « **Reply #6 on:** February 27, 2010, 06:02:05 PM »

One other thing about ball surface and the PBA. The USBC rules require you to sand or polish the entire ball with the same surface. In the PBA you can sand any part of section of the ball or the entire ball. Your preference, just can't touch any surface once competition begins. I have watched Paul Fleming sand 1 or 2 rings of the ball flair to get a ball to read how and where he wanted. This same technique was pointed out to me by the Storm ball reps years ago. It works, but don't get caught doing it in any USBC competitions.

Tex · « **Reply #7 on:** February 27, 2010, 08:09:12 PM »

Good to know. This was a really common practice for a while. I blew out my back 4 years ago,so have not bowled but one a year or less since then. So, haven't kept up. Worked very well if you knew what you were doing. I never mastered the technique so didn't use it but maybe once and that was with the advice of Paul.

Jay · « **Reply #8 on:** February 28, 2010, 01:17:52 AM »

quote:
Ryan actually made a good point to me and said that as bowlers our eyes/brain are used to seeing a certain motion that our eyes/brain view as the ball reaction that we like to see...and that is how we attack the lanes weather we move our feet left or right or our eyes left or right we still like to see the motion in the midlane and the backends the same on pretty much any shot as that is what makes us comfortable mentally.

I think I've heard of read somewhere that Wes Malott is the same way. I guess it's true that if you're someone that pays enough attention to your ball reaction, you become familiar with a certain kind of reaction. For me that reaction is something along the lines of a ball that goes semi-long but makes more of a controlled move than a hockey stick move. When I get a ball that flips a lot or I see a strong read in the midlane(for me this might be considered checking early since I don't typically see it), that's a different kind of reaction and I find myself surprised one way or another.

I'm going off topic but I wonder if that heavy midlane is something you should want. Does it just depend on the line you are playing on the lane?
--------------------
Justin

kidlost2000 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 01, 2010, 07:16:49 AM »

Most people that drill a lot of bowling equipment for themselves or whomever would probably tell you that after trying a lot of different things you find that there are really 3-4 drill patterns that just roll really well for you and stick with those. Let the characteristics of the ball be the difference.
--------------------
" men lie, women lie, numbers don't "

JustRico · « **Reply #10 on:** March 01, 2010, 07:28:07 AM »

The reason why most of the pros use 2-3 (at the most) different layouts is because generally, most, that are with a certain ball company, realize that bowling balls are designed with certain reaction characteristics in mind. Thus, if you are using a set layout, that you basically know how it reacts or responds, you are using a combination of a consistant, proven reaction and taking a reaction characteristic in a bowling ball to get better results. If you do not know, truly, how a bowling ball is going to react, why compound it with trying a new layout as well.
As many of the pros that I have worked with....I have tended to stay in a parameter of high 4" to 6" pin to PAP, either above or below, PSA/mass bias' in the 30-60 degree range, as well as allowing for a weight hole to adjust reaction. I also tend to use weight holes in PSA/mass bias to enhance overall reaction.
REMEMBER keep it simple. Ball and coverstock type is A number 1 in aquiring proper overall reaction. Layout and weight hole is a compliement or enhancer.
--------------------
Formerly BrunsRico

ImBackInTheGame · « **Reply #11 on:** March 03, 2010, 07:43:17 AM »

Many of the balls that Danny Wiseman sells on ebay have some pretty interesting "trick" drills. He must be in the minority though.

Author Topic: I was told the pro's do this.... (Read 2560 times)

David Lee Yskes

I was told the pro's do this....

TWOHAND834

Re: I was told the pro's do this....

DanH78

Re: I was told the pro's do this....

n00dlejester

Re: I was told the pro's do this....

JessN16

Re: I was told the pro's do this....

dougb

Re: I was told the pro's do this....

Tex

Re: I was told the pro's do this....

Tex

Re: I was told the pro's do this....

Jay

Re: I was told the pro's do this....

kidlost2000

Re: I was told the pro's do this....

JustRico

Re: I was told the pro's do this....

ImBackInTheGame

Re: I was told the pro's do this....