Post by: Stever5000 on August 09, 2006, 02:23:59 PM
Here's where you can chime in. I'll list the averages in numerical order, and you tell me where you think each average should be placed on the lineup and why you'd put them where they are. 146, 156, 161, 167, 211. Honestly, I don't think there's way too much of a difference in the first four averages to absolutely dictate where the placement should be, but statistically speaking, where would you place these?
-Edit: Its a handicap league. 100% of 220 if I'm not mistaking.
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Post by: MegaMav on August 09, 2006, 10:28:48 PM
least clutch guy at the top.
mix n' match in the middle.
if you havent met them, highest average at the bottom.
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Post by: monstercrank on August 09, 2006, 10:53:57 PM
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Post by: shakezilla9 on August 09, 2006, 10:58:05 PM
3rd
4th
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Post by: laner7pin on August 09, 2006, 11:05:19 PM
2nd - 156
3rd - 146
4th - 161
anchor - 211
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Post by: Stever5000 on August 09, 2006, 11:06:32 PM
161 -3rd in ave.
146 -5th
156 -4th
167 -2nd
211 -1st
Starting off with the 3rd highest instead of the 2nd highest, solely so the 2nd highest and 1st highest can be like a 1-2 punch when times start to get rocky.
I greatly appreciate the ideas thus far.
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Post by: mumzie on August 09, 2006, 11:06:45 PM
But my dad bowled with a guy 40 years ago that felt the strongest member should bowl 3rd - I never understood why, but he'd always say that a team can build higher when the strength is from the middle out...
Ask each of your teammates if there's a position they HATE - and one that they prefer above all others. Set your priorities by what spots they hate. Me - I hate to be second on a 5 man team. Don't mind it on 4 man teams, though. Weird.
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Post by: BrunsMike on August 09, 2006, 11:34:15 PM
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Post by: Atochabsh on August 10, 2006, 01:11:02 AM
But basically here's how it should go.
1st. ....the bowler that can come out striking to be the "intimadator"
2nd. .... the weakest bowler
3rd. .... the "glue" the bowler how is known to have no low lows. Basically a good all around bowler. You can count on this bowler alieviate the pressure off the anchor bowler. That's their job.
4th. .... Anchor. Not necessarily the highest average, but the bowler who is most stimulated to greatness by pressure.
Now, since you do not know these guys or their personalities or their bowling potential...just put them in whatever order they are comfortable in. And make adjustments accordingly
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Post by: SprayNpray on August 10, 2006, 01:35:10 AM
1. 185 - pretty consistent, good spare shooter, low revs low speed. Always in the high 500's.
2. 177 - very inconsistent, can go hot to cold (and vice versa) in less than one game, even less revs and lower speed. Plays very straight.
3. 197 - versatile and can play different hand positions and ball speeds very well. Can swing the lane or play straighter with speed. Very good experience, incomplete arsenal.
4. 221 - low end cranker, has a complete arsenal and knows how to use it. Can make all the adjustments quickly. Sets the table for:
5. 215 - super experienced and good pressure bowler. Older guy with some physical ailments but you don't want to draw him in brackets. Uses one ball.
I like the idea of getting off to a good start each frame with some sort of mark. Leave it to the big boys at #4 and #5 to seal the deal. Also nice to have that wildcard at #3 who can absolutely light it up on the right night. Often the difference in a close match.
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Post by: backupball on August 10, 2006, 01:40:58 AM
You're dealing with 4 pretty low averages there, so the anchor has to be the good bowler, and if no one else has a strong preference, I would put the other 4 in the order: 161-146-156-167.
Post by: dizzyfugu on August 10, 2006, 01:51:53 AM
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leadoff - 167
2nd - 156
3rd - 146
4th - 161
anchor - 211
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That's what I'd suggest from the numbers, too. The last player is the one to withstand or put up pressure, especially in the last frames. The 1st player should be able to put some good games ahed, also for pressure reasons.
In the middle, you can mix it up, but I would put the "weakest" player in the 3rd place.
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Post by: Stever5000 on August 10, 2006, 03:04:13 AM
Heh, maybe I'll get lucky and they're all really 220s but sandbagged.
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Post by: ThongPrincess on August 10, 2006, 03:21:18 AM
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leadoff - 167
2nd - 156
3rd - 146
4th - 161
anchor - 211
This was my initial thinking. Anchor is your pressure player and carrying a significantly higher average than the others, I would guess that would be the 211 ave.
As for the others, I had always been told you put the weak link in 3rd to start strong and finish strong. Highest anchot, 2nd highest lead, weakest 3rd, and the others in 2nd & 4th.
Given you do not know any of the 4, you may find they have preferences as to where they bowl. Putting them in a position they do not feel comfortable with, may effect their preformance and to be honest, as long as the strongest is in anchor, the otheres are not that different in average.
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Post by: CoachJim on August 10, 2006, 05:15:10 AM
If it is a bunch of money involved I would line them up infront of a coach and buy them a new ball that matches their new skills around christmas time which should pull out the second half of the year for you with all of that handicap they will have accumulated while struggling with lessons they took the first half.
If it is a friendly league the line up doesn't much matter, but since you asked, put the 211 as anchor and the lowest in 3rd and the 167 as lead off.
The rule of thumb in team placement is, you place the lower average bowlers 2nd and or 3rd, with your highest average going first to set the pace and not have too much pressure in the 10th frame, usually results in at least one good score even on a bad night, the second and third place bowlers see the first place bowler tossing strikes which makes them more comfortable so they can relax and concentrate on their games with out tons of pressure to perform which usually makes bad bowlers bowl worse. Now here is the problem with your team, I assume you are the 211 avg bowler, you don't have a 4th or anchor bowler, so you will have to anchor, and since you don't know which bowler can perform under pressure since you don't know them, you will have to change things on the fly if they improve throughout the year.
Since thier averages are considerably lower than yours, you will have to have patients, they are going to miss spares and leave horendous pin counts, you will have more success with less pressure put on them, in other words, "KEEP IT FUN".
Being the 211 average bowler and not bowling with your peers is going to be a challange to stay focussed, the other bowlers will not effect the outcome of a game with a bad game the way the 211 average bowler will, for instance if the 211 avg bowler tosses a 170 or worse game, which will happen, it would be like the 150 average bowlers not breaking 100 which is not as likely. This is just something to think about before you put pressure on them to score remember you are the weak link in a 100% of 220 handicap league, not them. They can all shoot over 320 and you can't.
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Post by: Splitz on August 10, 2006, 06:44:14 AM
Idealy, you would have a much higher average in the leadoff position but one isn't available so you go with the 2nd best bowler on the team. Nothing worse than a leadoff bowler that sets the pace with a bunch of opens except an anchor bowler that can't handle the pressure of close games and loses you points you needed to win.
4th spot is one where you need someone that can get hot ocassionally and usually doesn't have really stinker games in between.
Usually you hide the lowest average in the middle where the opens don't seem to effect the others as much for some obscure reason.
Post by: Stever5000 on August 10, 2006, 08:04:10 AM
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I've heard some discussions about league lineup philosophy before but the thing I don't understand is, does it matter other than the anchor?
During highschool bowling, one of my team's strongest areas was our incredible lineup. Our leadoff bowler would usually be our 2nd highest average-- the guy to set the mood of the team. Generally, if our first bowler started off decently well, we all did well. But if he started off throwing the ball in the ditch or missing easy spares for whatever reason, the mood wouldnt be so well and we'd lack just that little extra bit to put us over the top.
We put our lowest average or least consistent bowler to follow up good ol' leadoffer. This is where the importance of the first bowler comes into play. The lowest average bowler is usually psyched out in his own mind, in my opinion. I think relieving him of the pressure of setting the mood will always give better performance. It's kind of like he gets that extra push once he sees that his team mate is already doing well.. a confidence booster. And we all know thats just what a lower average bowler needs. Just mere confidence to give him an extra 20-30 pins each game.
From there, you work on your power game. You've already made up for any damage your lowest bowler has done, so now you have to punch it with these three bowlers, their order usually according to average or strike percentage.
That's how we did things.
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Is there a bunch of money involved, or is this a fun league.
It's basically just a club league. Not all the bowlers are out to win the money here. Some bowl for good time, to get out of house, whatever reason. Prize money isn't exactly too high.
Thank you again, everyone, for all your input. I greatly appreciate the time and effort you've put into your ideas, and I'll be sure to let you know once first week of league starts how things go.
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Post by: RaginCajun on August 10, 2006, 07:13:11 PM
week 1) A
B
C
D
week 2) D
A
B
C
week 3) C
D
A
B
We just move the bowlers down 1 every week all year long.
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