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jasoncajda

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Team order Question
« on: July 20, 2008, 11:22:37 AM »
With the new season around the corner I had a question about the bowling order of a team. What order do you place the bowlers in.
Its a mixed league an the averages are:
#1 110
#2 155
#3 160
#4 190
#5 196

I would place bowler #1 third and bowler #3 first, what are everybody's thought's.

Thanks
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Re: Team order Question
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2008, 07:31:58 PM »
#4
#2
#1
#3
#5
Usual order is high average 5th, 2nd high average 1st, low average in the middle and the other 2 in 2nd and 4th positions.
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JessN16

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Re: Team order Question
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2008, 07:44:33 PM »
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With the new season around the corner I had a question about the bowling order of a team. What order do you place the bowlers in.
Its a mixed league an the averages are:
#1 110
#2 155
#3 160
#4 190
#5 196

I would place bowler #1 third and bowler #3 first, what are everybody's thought's.

Thanks


I think your method would probably be best. Or, put #1 in the 2-hole, move #2 to the 3-hole and #3 to the top.

Jess
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Re: Team order Question
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2008, 07:53:46 PM »
I agree with fluff.  You need someone at the top to "set the tone" for the rest of the team.  Your second highest average should be leadoff.  The weakest person should be third, and of course, the strongest is your anchor.  The other two people, you may want the higher average of the last two people in the 4 hole.  

190
155
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196

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JessN16

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Re: Team order Question
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2008, 08:08:20 PM »
By the way, Bowling This Month  had a feature on this very thing in its June edition. Using their system, the original poster's solution would most likely be the one employed.

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Re: Team order Question
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2008, 08:53:38 PM »
I have seen a wide variety of things done. A team that I use to bowl against in Sioux Falls had their high average person in the fourth spot with like the third highest anchor. I would say how the team wants to do it and it works is the best. May have to take a few weeks to try things and see what works. Myself I would switch #1 with either 2 or 3 though.
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Re: Team order Question
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2008, 09:08:51 PM »
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I have seen a wide variety of things done. A team that I use to bowl against in Sioux Falls had their high average person in the fourth spot with like the third highest anchor. I would say how the team wants to do it and it works is the best. May have to take a few weeks to try things and see what works. Myself I would switch #1 with either 2 or 3 though.
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Basically, that's because you really shouldn't set by average.

The anchor should be the person who's best under fire. Whether that's your top average bowler or your second- or third-best, it needs to be the guy who, when the 10th rolls around, gets that look in his eye like a bulldog let loose inside a meat market.

The leadoff bowler should be consistent, and in a five-man lineup, the No. 4 guy needs to be as or almost as good as the anchor. You can play around with slots 2 and 3, but something BTM said that really made a lot of sense is if you have someone who frequently runs hot and cold, the 3-hole is the perfect place for him. If he's cold, you still have 4 and 5 who could get marks. But when he's hot, all of a sudden you've got a guy in the middle who gets on a string and then 4 and 5 feed off that.

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Re: Team order Question
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2008, 09:17:06 PM »
you shouldn't really decide based on averages, especially not for your anchor.
Your anchor bowler should be a good bowler, but the best on the team under pressure. (Good Example of an anchor bowler Tommy Jones)
Your leadoff bowler, should be either your best or 2nd best to set the tone


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Re: Team order Question
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2008, 11:16:57 PM »
For the anchor should be the bowler that can produce a strike or a mark most all the time. The average is somewhat irrelevant. I know plenty of teams that have the second or sometimes 3rd highest average on the team depending if it is a 4 or 5 man team and the reason is because that player can get a strike or a mark when that bowler needs to.
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Re: Team order Question
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2008, 11:32:33 PM »
This is an interesting topic that really caught my eye.  I used to know a guy who owned a proshop, and also had helped a few pros along there way.  Anyways we used to talk about stuff like this and here is what I remember on the topic.

start with your anchor bowler, this is the guy who stand the best chance to go off the sheet at any given time.

Your 4th bowler should be the guy who is next on the ability to go off the sheet at any time.

Next you want to deside out of the three that are left who is the most consistent at marking, doesn't have to be strikes or even a high average, who can you cant on most to make a mark in the 10th.  that person is your lead off.

your number two and number three spots can be switched around however the team likes to bowl.
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Re: Team order Question
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2008, 12:40:38 AM »
190
110
155
160
196       it depends on how competitive your team is.. do they like to win or is it a fun league and they don't care really.. common practice is your weakest bowler should bowl second and your strongest bowler bowls last.. your 160 and 155 bowler are up in the air, who is really better??(3rd and 4th accordingly) the 190 bowler you want as your headlight to get the team reved up.. if he or she is throwing strikes it makes your other teammates want to throw strikes.. and say he or she isn't bowling well it will make your teammates try even harder to pick up your lead bowler(sometimes thats good and sometimes thats not/how well do they handle pressure).. but you can also factor in who likes bowling where??(comfortable positions make bowlers bowl well also.... hope this helps a little..      slashrr69
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Re: Team order Question
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2008, 02:02:40 AM »
On a team where your third-highest bowler is a 160, I'm going to assume we're not talking about a high-dollar PBAX league here. Ergo, the 160 bowler should be good enough to lead off. Someone averaging 160 is probably going to have 2-3 opens a night but on a league like this, that wouldn't be enough to kill you. I guess we need some information on how that guy/girl shoots his/her 160s. A bunch of strikes and no spares? Or is it someone with decent accuracy that has trouble carrying the shot?

I'd still keep the two 190+ bowlers together at the bottom of the order. If you've got a 110 and 155 sandwiched in there, there isn't going to be a great deal of emotional "push" from having a 190-average bowler at the top filling frames. Whatever emotions he/she cranks out isn't going to have much effect on someone averaging 110 or 155.

Going back to the BTM article, they're advising your best bowler possibly be in the 4-hole, anyway. At the very least, your best bowler from a consistency standpoint. Moving that person up to 1 and putting a scattershot bowler in the 4-hole, IMO, doesn't fix much.

Jess
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jasoncajda

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Re: Team order Question
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2008, 04:59:40 AM »
Thanks everyone very interesting discussion.
While the league is competitive it is not cut throat.

Bowler #3 is a good bowler, she doesn't carry a lot so she leaves tens pins and has a hard time picking them up. She is also going through an illness so sometimes she loses energy. But all in all a good bowler.

Bowler 2# While not that much different in average then #3 is not that consistent. He will have one good game one average game and them one below is average.

Bowler #1 is just what her average states. She new to the sport and has a lot to work on, but likes to bowl.

Bowlers #4 & 5 are pretty much the same and could flip flop in order.
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Re: Team order Question
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2008, 07:45:56 AM »
With these averages and in a fun league the order doesn't much matter.

I would put the person most comfortable with being anchor there. After that it won't much matter.
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Re: Team order Question
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2008, 01:31:46 PM »
#5 196
#1 110
#2 155
#3 160
#4 190

For me, I would definitely put the highest averaging bowler that's not the best in clutch situations first, and put the best clutch player as the anchor.  I would definitely put the lowest averaging player second.
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