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downstroker7

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Teammate using urethane
« on: July 02, 2015, 12:14:34 PM »
My teammate uses plastic and urethane exclusively. I've read that these surfaces cause carrydown. I've experienced an over under reaction lately and I am wondering if this may be the reason. What steps should I take if this is true?

 

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Re: Teammate using urethane
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2015, 12:44:30 PM »
That is correct. Since neither urethane nor plastic absorb oil like resin, they can push oil down lane. Depending on how your teammate is throwing, it can cause a definite over/under reaction.

Assuming he is playing further to the outside part of the lane, it will be easier to play to the inside of him. Try to keep your break point inside of and further down lane than his. A good pearl will help you get the length and store enough energy to make the corner. Good luck.

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Re: Teammate using urethane
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2015, 01:05:37 PM »
Get a ball and sand it with 240 grit and play up his line during warmups then switch to your normal ball (with the surface at 1000) and continue playing around that same line for a bit till its really hooking.

Then move in and bounce the ball off the new wall you created.
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Re: Teammate using urethane
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2015, 02:32:49 PM »
Get a ball and sand it with 240 grit and play up his line during warmups then switch to your normal ball (with the surface at 1000) and continue playing around that same line for a bit till its really hooking.

Then move in and bounce the ball off the new wall you created.

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Re: Teammate using urethane
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2015, 11:03:20 AM »
Urethane will carry more oil down than resin, but unless two or three guys on the pair are throwing it, the effect will be more than offset by the resin balls, especially on house shots.

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Re: Teammate using urethane
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2015, 02:39:48 PM »
Get a ball and sand it with 240 grit and play up his line during warmups then switch to your normal ball (with the surface at 1000) and continue playing around that same line for a bit till its really hooking.

Then move in and bounce the ball off the new wall you created.

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Re: Teammate using urethane
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2015, 10:12:01 AM »
My teammate uses plastic and urethane exclusively. I've read that these surfaces cause carrydown. I've experienced an over under reaction lately and I am wondering if this may be the reason. What steps should I take if this is true?

It isn't CAUSING anything.  It will move some minute amount of conditioner but to blame an over-under reaction on ONE bowler isn't realistic...

As to steps to take...adjust.  Just remember that surface adjustments once the lights come on won't be permitted...which brings it back to adjustments with speed, release or equipment (not to mention target lines).

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Re: Teammate using urethane
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2015, 10:34:29 AM »
My teammate uses plastic and urethane exclusively. I've read that these surfaces cause carrydown. I've experienced an over under reaction lately and I am wondering if this may be the reason. What steps should I take if this is true?

It isn't CAUSING anything.  It will move some minute amount of conditioner but to blame an over-under reaction on ONE bowler isn't realistic...

As to steps to take...adjust.  Just remember that surface adjustments once the lights come on won't be permitted...which brings it back to adjustments with speed, release or equipment (not to mention target lines).

I disagree.  Although it may only move a small amount of oil around, that can be enough.  Today's game is all about making the right moves, at the right times and in my experience, just one person using urethane in the track area can cause the shot to change ever so slightly as the set progresses.  It only takes a little for a previously good executed shot to be a 2 pin or 2-10 for a righty.

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Re: Teammate using urethane
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2015, 11:12:11 AM »
I,m using a Burgandy Hammer. It,s the only ball I,ve found that is suitable for the condition I bowl on.  Every other ball hooks way too much for me. It seems that ball companies try to out do each other with the most violent hook possible. They seem to ignore the fact that there are still a lot of "strokers"out there.
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Re: Teammate using urethane
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2015, 12:12:27 PM »
My teammate uses plastic and urethane exclusively. I've read that these surfaces cause carrydown. I've experienced an over under reaction lately and I am wondering if this may be the reason. What steps should I take if this is true?

If only one person is using urethane/plastic and everyone else reactives (and assuming the lanes have been striped properly before oiling) , the amount of carry down by that one person would be meaningless.

If your getting a over/under reaction you should read Slowinski's article El Dorado & El Diablo: Understanding Good and Bad Friction:

http://bowlingknowledge.info/images/stories/el_dorado_el_diablo_april_2013.pdf

What your most likely seeing is what he calls El Diablo or bad friction. Mainly the creation of what he calls the "Y" which represents an over/under situation. Which is caused by oil depletion towards the end of the pattern.


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Re: Teammate using urethane
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2015, 12:36:39 PM »
I once bowled with a guy who averaged 220-230 with a white dot on a 10 x 10 THS. I used a scout particle at the time and honestly never seen much O/U playing just inside his line.

The only time things got ugly for him is when the teams with guys with high rev rates play us.
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Re: Teammate using urethane
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2015, 10:57:15 AM »
One guy isn't going to do anything to the shot.  5 or 6 resin balls are going to soak way more off the lane than that guy can carry down.  I have been the only guy on a pair using urethane, and I have been one of 3 or 4 using urethane and plastic.   When I was the only guy it never hurt the other guys.  When several of us were using it we really trashed it because there was no resin to track through the high volumes, just guys pushing it around. 

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Re: Teammate using urethane
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2015, 03:25:22 PM »
That's impressive! 230 with a white dot, on any condition
I once bowled with a guy who averaged 220-230 with a white dot on a 10 x 10 THS. I used a scout particle at the time and honestly never seen much O/U playing just inside his line.

The only time things got ugly for him is when the teams with guys with high rev rates play us.

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Re: Teammate using urethane
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2015, 03:57:20 PM »
I doubt that one guy throwing urethane pushing oil would be noticeable with four other bowlers throwing reactive and wearing the track. 

Either way, your next step is the same:  adjust your ball, line, and/or delivery to mellow out the back end. 

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Re: Teammate using urethane
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2015, 10:25:35 AM »
Urethane typically will not contribute to over under even if enough guys are using it to impact the shot.  Rather you get oil pushed down the lane and into the track.  You tend to get more over under from a lot of guys playing right on the oil line on a house shot using resin