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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: downstroker7 on July 02, 2015, 12:14:34 PM
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My teammate uses plastic and urethane exclusively. I've read that these surfaces cause carrydown. I've experienced an over under reaction lately and I am wondering if this may be the reason. What steps should I take if this is true?
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That is correct. Since neither urethane nor plastic absorb oil like resin, they can push oil down lane. Depending on how your teammate is throwing, it can cause a definite over/under reaction.
Assuming he is playing further to the outside part of the lane, it will be easier to play to the inside of him. Try to keep your break point inside of and further down lane than his. A good pearl will help you get the length and store enough energy to make the corner. Good luck.
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Get a ball and sand it with 240 grit and play up his line during warmups then switch to your normal ball (with the surface at 1000) and continue playing around that same line for a bit till its really hooking.
Then move in and bounce the ball off the new wall you created.
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Get a ball and sand it with 240 grit and play up his line during warmups then switch to your normal ball (with the surface at 1000) and continue playing around that same line for a bit till its really hooking.
Then move in and bounce the ball off the new wall you created.
LOL!! That's the way the pros do it!
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Urethane will carry more oil down than resin, but unless two or three guys on the pair are throwing it, the effect will be more than offset by the resin balls, especially on house shots.
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Get a ball and sand it with 240 grit and play up his line during warmups then switch to your normal ball (with the surface at 1000) and continue playing around that same line for a bit till its really hooking.
Then move in and bounce the ball off the new wall you created.
LOL!! That's the way the pros do it!
I wish I could like this comment lol that's hilarious
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My teammate uses plastic and urethane exclusively. I've read that these surfaces cause carrydown. I've experienced an over under reaction lately and I am wondering if this may be the reason. What steps should I take if this is true?
It isn't CAUSING anything. It will move some minute amount of conditioner but to blame an over-under reaction on ONE bowler isn't realistic...
As to steps to take...adjust. Just remember that surface adjustments once the lights come on won't be permitted...which brings it back to adjustments with speed, release or equipment (not to mention target lines).
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My teammate uses plastic and urethane exclusively. I've read that these surfaces cause carrydown. I've experienced an over under reaction lately and I am wondering if this may be the reason. What steps should I take if this is true?
It isn't CAUSING anything. It will move some minute amount of conditioner but to blame an over-under reaction on ONE bowler isn't realistic...
As to steps to take...adjust. Just remember that surface adjustments once the lights come on won't be permitted...which brings it back to adjustments with speed, release or equipment (not to mention target lines).
I disagree. Although it may only move a small amount of oil around, that can be enough. Today's game is all about making the right moves, at the right times and in my experience, just one person using urethane in the track area can cause the shot to change ever so slightly as the set progresses. It only takes a little for a previously good executed shot to be a 2 pin or 2-10 for a righty.
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I,m using a Burgandy Hammer. It,s the only ball I,ve found that is suitable for the condition I bowl on. Every other ball hooks way too much for me. It seems that ball companies try to out do each other with the most violent hook possible. They seem to ignore the fact that there are still a lot of "strokers"out there.
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My teammate uses plastic and urethane exclusively. I've read that these surfaces cause carrydown. I've experienced an over under reaction lately and I am wondering if this may be the reason. What steps should I take if this is true?
If only one person is using urethane/plastic and everyone else reactives (and assuming the lanes have been striped properly before oiling) , the amount of carry down by that one person would be meaningless.
If your getting a over/under reaction you should read Slowinski's article El Dorado & El Diablo: Understanding Good and Bad Friction:
http://bowlingknowledge.info/images/stories/el_dorado_el_diablo_april_2013.pdf (http://bowlingknowledge.info/images/stories/el_dorado_el_diablo_april_2013.pdf)
What your most likely seeing is what he calls El Diablo or bad friction. Mainly the creation of what he calls the "Y" which represents an over/under situation. Which is caused by oil depletion towards the end of the pattern.
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I once bowled with a guy who averaged 220-230 with a white dot on a 10 x 10 THS. I used a scout particle at the time and honestly never seen much O/U playing just inside his line.
The only time things got ugly for him is when the teams with guys with high rev rates play us.
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One guy isn't going to do anything to the shot. 5 or 6 resin balls are going to soak way more off the lane than that guy can carry down. I have been the only guy on a pair using urethane, and I have been one of 3 or 4 using urethane and plastic. When I was the only guy it never hurt the other guys. When several of us were using it we really trashed it because there was no resin to track through the high volumes, just guys pushing it around.
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That's impressive! 230 with a white dot, on any condition
I once bowled with a guy who averaged 220-230 with a white dot on a 10 x 10 THS. I used a scout particle at the time and honestly never seen much O/U playing just inside his line.
The only time things got ugly for him is when the teams with guys with high rev rates play us.
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I doubt that one guy throwing urethane pushing oil would be noticeable with four other bowlers throwing reactive and wearing the track.
Either way, your next step is the same: adjust your ball, line, and/or delivery to mellow out the back end.
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Urethane typically will not contribute to over under even if enough guys are using it to impact the shot. Rather you get oil pushed down the lane and into the track. You tend to get more over under from a lot of guys playing right on the oil line on a house shot using resin
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If its my understanding,if there was more or longer oil using an urethane or plastic wood be moot.If the oil where 42-45 ft with with 31 ml of oil the argument would be moot.if for the strokers buy the latest hook in the box,a wrist band to keep the wrist cupped,I woundn't think going straight down 10 would be a problem.Its allowing guys who have the hook in the box and still can't overcome 2 ft of carrydown,not to mention what the resin burnt up in the heads.Lets stop pretending speed and revolutionns dominate our game now,and if you cant provide both you are at a dis advantage
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If its my understanding,if there was more or longer oil using an urethane or plastic would be moot.If the oil where 42-45 ft with with 31 ml of oil the argument would be moot.if for the strokers buy the latest hook in the box,a wrist band to keep the wrist cupped,I woundn't think going straight down 10 would be a problem.Its allowing guys who have the hook in the box and still can't overcome 2 ft of carrydown,not to mention what the resin burnt up in the heads.Lets stop pretending speed and revolutionns dominate our game now,and if you cant provide both you are at a dis advantage
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Btw, i did resurface a ball to 150 and throw it in practice,not to open up the lane,to,flying back ends, make us all on bowl on burnt heads,stripped back ends,then most of us had to use urethane,plastic and more or less a reverse block.take a guy avg 217 on ths,put him on a sports shot or reverse block an average can drop 40 50 pins. The BPA may like these 18-20mph throwing guys with 350-500 revs,28 300's a year.It's driving,especially with joe bowler away,especially with 80% of 220 hdcp whom has no chance of winning with a team full of 150 avg bowlers
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One thing to consider when asking if Urethane or Polyester balls create carry down, or cause over/under effects is: are the balls drilled with a zero flare or a high flare layout?
In the old days drilling patterns were not necessarily created to increase flare potential and many of the early balls had no dynamic core. So when you rolled a urethane ball down the lane it had one oil line it kept rolling over again and again and the oil would be carried down like the ball was a paint roller.
But a modern urethane ball with a dynamic core drilled with a high flare layout will allow each oil line to have its own stripe on the ball and they will only meet at the center of the bow tie. So actually the high flare urethane ball is removing oil from the lane! And when it comes back and you wipe that oil off your ball it is gone from the lane forever. So in effect a urethane ball can take just as much oil off the lane as a reactive ball.
I have personally used my Hammer Widow polyester ball with a super high flare layout as a strike ball and after a game or so I successfully gouged out a dry line up the lane with it.
So, carry down does still occur with any ball type, but high flare layouts will always minimize this effect and wiping the ball after each throw will assure any oil it picks up will not get back on the lane. Over/under is much more likely and most often caused because people misunderstand how to play a house shot.
You will see players throwing reactive balls right of second arrow too early in the lane. This causes these balls to die out so fast that when they hit the pocket they leave corner pins or splits. Also you will see a ball thrown into the dry not make it back to the pocket, like you have suddenly bowled on a reverse pattern.
The problem is not over/under or reverse patterns, the problem is you let your reactive ball get right of second arrow to early. With a house shot you have to keep your ball in the oil until it gets to the break point, then it can briefly go right of second arrow to get the friction bumper effect to bounce to the pocket and still have some energy. With a stronger ball you really never need to leave the oil. Just play left of second arrow all day and you will be fine.
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Fire Him.... Immediately