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LuckyLefty

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Technique- ever heard of this???
« on: March 11, 2005, 05:49:10 AM »
Let's face it.  I've always been a slower roller with lots of reaction.
Slow speed high track moderate revs and turn = lots of time mediocre CARRY unless oil.

Always seeking speed.  But it would only usually come with muscular effort on my part!

Went and took a lesson from a local star and by the end of the session I was up to almost 16 to 16.5 at the pin deck with no effort!  Perfect for my revs which might have climbed a tad also.

The method!?

No pushaway.  Just let the ball fall on with the step you want. Focus in the hand being very relaxed.

I guess at the Mo Pinel and Track joint seminars they are teaching this with the a focus on the elbow straightening as the ball passes the thigh down.

Twice I've done it since.  Once in league started fast and stiffened up.

The other time I never speeded up.  Then I had a nice practice session.
Finally last night I did it all night.  More speed, slightly more revs, lots of balance and powdering the pocket.  If I get used to this speed on spares I could really tear it up.

Tried it?  Heard of it?j

I can't believe it's me!

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Re: Technique- ever heard of this???
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2005, 01:54:19 PM »
Never tried what you're describing, though for a couple of years I did the Wayne Webb thing, i.e., started with the ball down by my leg.  Not a PC style these days, since there is no way to do it without muscleing the ball.
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Re: Technique- ever heard of this???
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2005, 01:58:06 PM »
I do it now as well, and yes, my coach from a Mo seminar.  It relaxes me alot and it gives me a great swing, plus it cuts down on me "muscling" the ball.
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Re: Technique- ever heard of this???
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2005, 02:01:42 PM »
Considering I throw the ball around 19mph, I don't think I'll be trying anything that might give me more speed.
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Re: Technique- ever heard of this???
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2005, 02:30:42 PM »
Dan,
  I too throw the ball faster than a locomotive, but to be honest, it slowed me down a bit.  With a pushaway, I was very herky-jerky.  I would push, then pull, then throw down, then release.  With this technique, I feel much more fluent and relaxed.  It actually slowed my ball speed down, increased my ball length, and my entry angle.  The reaction I am getting out of the ball is incredible.

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Re: Technique- ever heard of this???
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2005, 12:14:57 AM »
I'm estatic, Don't try it!  Or if you do, don't use it against me!

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Re: Technique- ever heard of this???
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2005, 09:37:39 AM »
While this works by changing your armswing to allow the height of the swing to increase thereby having more drop in your down swing (and more momentum), I find it difficult to establish good direction without a good pushaway toward my target. There seems to be some bowlers who dont have the problem I have with direction or at least have over come the issue.
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Re: Technique- ever heard of this???
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2005, 05:27:54 PM »
This is one of the techniques that my coach taught me in one of our early sessions and I've noticed more power in my release, better timing and as a result stronger reaction when the ball hits the pocket. I can suffer from pin carry issues from time to time and this has really improved my game.

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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2005, 05:52:35 PM »
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This is one of the techniques that my coach taught me in one of our early sessions and I've noticed more power in my release, better timing and as a result stronger reaction when the ball hits the pocket. I can suffer from pin carry issues from time to time and this has really improved my game.

Matt


I would really like to increase my ball speed... but I don't really think that i understand how this "no pushaway" thing is done...is there a video or something?
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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2005, 06:12:37 PM »
One of the pros that is proficient with this is Chris Barnes.  Another is Parker Bohn.  The guys from Track in their seminars, state, "Let the elbow hinge and just walk past it."  I also tell people to let the ball swing the arm instead of the arm swing the ball.  Ensures it keeps the arm relaxed and more fluent resulting in a cleaner release.
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Re: Technique- ever heard of this???
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2005, 10:42:44 PM »
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This is one of the techniques that my coach taught me in one of our early sessions and I've noticed more power in my release, better timing and as a result stronger reaction when the ball hits the pocket. I can suffer from pin carry issues from time to time and this has really improved my game.

Matt


I would really like to increase my ball speed... but I don't really think that i understand how this "no pushaway" thing is done...is there a video or something?
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Two balls, the only way this technique will increase your ball speed is if you are dropping the ball into your swing from a greater height than before using a pushaway.
Or if this somehow makes you relax your armswing so you are not muscling it and holding up your arm limiting it's gravity driven speed.

Watch Barnes bowl. He holds the ball forward farther and his first move with his arm is to simply let the ball drop straight down into his swing.
This makes his approach easier to repeat because he has taken an additional moving part (the pushaway) out of his approach.

The reason many people get off balance with their pushaways is they push the ball too late (biggest fault), and or push the ball too agressively getting the ball too far away from their center of gravity.

Think of a rectangle where the corners of it are the outsides of your shoulders and the front of whichever foot is closest to the pins, and the heel of whichever foot is farthest from the pins at any point during your approach.
Draw imaginary lines making a rectangle connecting these points to form a box.

If you push the ball or muscle it in the swing and get it outside of this box you are taking the ball too far away from your center of gravity and you will have a balance problem or can have a very severe balance problem depending on how bad or how good your timing is on that particular approach.

Pushing the ball too agressively can also cause your body to be pulled forward causing you to run with your feet to keep from falling forward.

Try to keep all moves with the ball within this imaginary box, combined with good knee bend (if you experience any kind of feeling of a real strain in your knee you are beinding it too far and gettinmg your kneee too far forward. As a general rule of thumb you don't want the knee of your slide foot to be farther forward than the front of your slide foot.), and staying down with the shot to lower your center of gravity.
With a lower center of gravity it is easier to maintain your balance and still throw a good shot when your timing is less than perfect.
Also keeping yoUr trail foot on the approach helps with balance when your timing isn't perfect.

The bottom line is you want to do everything you can to make your approach and release as repeatable as possible.
The less moving parts and the better the balance you have, with a low center of gravity, the easier it is to repeat shots.

Sorry that I escaped off on a tagent there.  
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Re: Technique- ever heard of this???
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2005, 10:51:35 PM »
Yep.

That last part was mentioned also!!!

He also had me focus on the power position.  When ball is at top of backswing and push foot is still on ground on having a slight flex in knee and (butt) hip just like I do in my other sport golf.  Back leg is slightly flexed athleticly ready and prepared to fire! Goodbye!

I agree.  That theoretically if ball height not higher no extra speed.  UNLESS this method frees up swing!  That is what has happened for me.  Same ball height.
High near shoulder.  I used to have a dramatic pushaway!  (and sort of down)  Outside of Z man's box!  Oh boy.

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Re: Technique- ever heard of this???
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2005, 11:12:03 PM »
I throw the ball about 19 MPH and I just drop down.  I've done it as long as I can remember.  Maybe that's why I throw it so fast...
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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2005, 03:41:12 AM »
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I throw the ball about 19 MPH and I just drop down.  I've done it as long as I can remember.  Maybe that's why I throw it so fast...

Lefty it depends on the height you are dropping the ball into your swing from AND if you are generating any ball speed by accelerating ytour arm swing forward instead of letting it just moving by gravity power.
I favor using just a relaxed gravity powered swing for the ease of repeating shots but, use whatever works the best for your game.
If accelerating through the shot on the forward swing is better for you then that's good.
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Re: Technique- ever heard of this???
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2005, 04:24:30 AM »
Nothing like dropping the ball into your swing. Helped my game out tremendously. More consistant armswing.
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