Author Topic: Technology ruining bowling is a joke.... (Read 3903 times)

tdub36tjt · « **on:** February 25, 2009, 02:10:50 AM »

I don't see how last week didn't open peoples eyes to the fact that technology isn't ruining bowling. When you look at who made TV in my opinion it shows what would happen most weeks on tour without "technology". I am in no way trying to knock who made TV with this either...

You look at Weber and Carter fairly similar releases, with a lot of axis rotation which with plastic will increase your carry. Barnes makes a hook set reaction out of just about any ball he throws so the plastic not having the big backend has little to know affect on him. Fagan also quite a good amount of axis rotation and all 4 have one big thing in common (as with most of the bowlers who finished well), they are all over 325 RPM. And I am not sure about Carter but I would say that other than Weber the other 3 are either pushing or over 400.

The biggest thing I think that technology promotes that people are missing is what makes todays bowlers so good. That is versitility. I think without the technology that versitility would not be as importantof a factor in who is the better bowlers. I think the most important factors without technology instantly would become

1. rev rate
2. accuracy (which all these guys have)
3. Axis rotation
4. matching up ball speed
5. versitility

Where as with technology the way it is I would rate these like so....

1. Accuracy
2. Versitility
3. Ball Speed
4. Rev Rate
5. Axis Rotation

This is just my opinion, I don't think technology ruined bowling it changed it making versitility more important that how many times you can rotate the ball. And to me a versitile bowler is more talented than someone who can just rip the cover off the ball.

themachine300 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 25, 2009, 10:24:33 AM »

As long as there has been bowling, there have been easy shots. I know alot of older bowlers who threw rubber and plastic in there prime and they all say the same thing, oil patterns are causing such high scores. Sometimes, the best technology in the world won't help you and you end up throwing something 20 years old
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tdub36tjt · « **Reply #2 on:** February 25, 2009, 10:27:41 AM »

agreed 100%

mrbowlingnut · « **Reply #3 on:** February 25, 2009, 10:32:29 AM »

I see your point but would you prefer a drum brake car again??? Or manual steering???

Technology happens it is called progress, believe me doing my job in 1980's and earlier I would have been a millionaire x 10. But with big corporations owning everything and reducing profit to nothing I now make half of what I made even in 1995.

blacknois · « **Reply #4 on:** February 25, 2009, 10:37:40 AM »

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As long as there has been bowling, there have been easy shots. I know alot of older bowlers who threw rubber and plastic in there prime and they all say the same thing, oil patterns are causing such high scores. Sometimes, the best technology in the world won't help you and you end up throwing something 20 years old
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^this. I recently started throwing my old brunswick black beauty again, and i find that the carry potential on that old rubber ball is just as good as the newer equipment, it just forces you to be accurate on every shot, which is what bowling should be about

tdub36tjt · « **Reply #5 on:** February 25, 2009, 10:38:42 AM »

I am saying I think technology has made the game better....THS is what is ruining bowling.

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I see your point but would you prefer a drum brake car again??? Or manual steering???

Technology happens it is called progress, believe me doing my job in 1980's and earlier I would have been a millionaire x 10. But with big corporations owning everything and reducing profit to nothing I now make half of what I made even in 1995.

themachine300 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 25, 2009, 10:40:34 AM »

Just watch some of the videos from buddies pro shop. I know the scout video the guy is banking the ball of the corner playing like 10 or 12. The scout isn't a high end ball by any means, yet it still looks nasty b/c of the shot

And to edit. Lee Vanderhoef bowls in our region, I know him real well and he throws his blue hammer all the time on almost all the patterns
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Edited on 2/25/2009 11:43 AM

charlest · « **Reply #7 on:** February 25, 2009, 10:52:29 AM »

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I see your point but would you prefer a drum brake car again??? Or manual steering???

Yes, I would rather have good drum brakes. On production cars, if not race cars.
The best brakes around when disc brakes were virtually forced on car makers, were the finned aluminum drum on the Buick Riviera. In 1971 I bought a Camaro that had power disc brakes. The first time I drove them in the rain, the damned car skidded about 700 feet with the brakes fading completely, never engaging. I'm lucky to be alive. That was supposed to be what disc brakes would prevent, wet water making the contact area not slip. I got rid of the car so fast your head would spin.

The Riviera's brakes never faded, had one of the very shortest stopping distances of any production car at that time, especially considering its huge weight, about 5000/5500 lbs.

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Technology happens it is called progress, ...

Using technology is not always progess.

Using it correctly is.

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qstick777 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 25, 2009, 10:58:41 AM »

Call it technology if you want, but you still have to worry about surface and release.

I know that I got tired of hearing Randy talk about how the current balls have hook built-in.

I've had plenty of balls that don't hook. All the technology in the world isn't going to make a bad bowler suddenly become a good bowler!
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chitown · « **Reply #9 on:** February 25, 2009, 11:06:05 AM »

I think the new technology has made bowling even more fun than in years past. Bowling on tough patterns becomes a chess match. Trying to decide which ball will match up with a particular pattern is what makes the game even more fun.

Scores can be controlled with the lane patterns. For those that disagree I suggest they take any ball they want and bowl the peterson tourney in illinois. Lane patterns control the scoring pace.

mainzer · « **Reply #10 on:** February 25, 2009, 11:13:55 AM »

My best sets the last four years have been with older equipment. So I really don't think technology has that great an impact as what we like to think, esepcially at the higher end of averages.
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Juggernaut · « **Reply #11 on:** February 25, 2009, 02:00:57 PM »

I hate the newer technology balls, but have to agree that lane conditions are the mitigating factor.

I have bowled big scores with everything from an old plastic ball to a high performance partical ball. Without conditions that allowed for the use of that ball, I would have scored much worse. I know because I have also bowled and scored very bad with the same exact balls.

I prefer the older balls. They were not gyroscopic in nature and had to be thrown correctly to perform. Last week there was a guy bowling against us who actually spun the ball backwards, only to have it "self-correct" and turn into the pocket with enough power/roll to strike. There is NO WAY you are ever going to convince me that spinning the ball backwards is the right way to throw the ball, and any ball so delivered SHOULD NOT STRIKE, yet this guy shot a small 600 series.

Yes, you still need to be reasonably accurate, but not NEARLY as accurate as with plastic. Raw speed has become much more of a factor now than speed control, just find the hook and throw it hard.

Being able to "turn" the ball, being accurate, and having nice, medium speed were the hallmarks of my game that made me hard to beat. I am still accurate, but now I tend to "overturn" the ball and I throw it too slow. The things that used to make me VERY hard to beat are the same things that hurt my game now.

Technology isn't "ruining" the game, it KIDNAPPED the old game and left this "NEW" version in its place.
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trash heap · « **Reply #12 on:** February 25, 2009, 02:49:20 PM »

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I think the most important factors without technology instantly would become

1. rev rate
2. accuracy (which all these guys have)
3. Axis rotation
4. matching up ball speed
5. versatility

Where as with technology the way it is I would rate these like so....

1. Accuracy
2. versatility
3. Ball Speed
4. Rev Rate
5. Axis Rotation

I don't think versatility is #2 with technology (it should be last). A bowler doesn't need to be versatile with new equipment. He or she just needs to pick up a different ball or use a Oil soaking ball in warmup to cut a hole in the pattern. To me thats not versatile.

tenpin477 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 25, 2009, 03:29:35 PM »

Its a different kind of versatility

cmoore3wins · « **Reply #14 on:** February 25, 2009, 05:37:02 PM »

Most proprietors around here would disagree in mho.

THS = league bowlers
no THS = no league bowlers

Most league bowlers around here do not want to show up for league night and struggle after a long day of work. We want lots of x's and the best way is the THS.

The more we XXXXXXXXX, the more spend $$$$$$$$$$!!

In 1976 I started bowling junior leagues and we were taught how to bowl, how to keep score and we learned courtesy & sportmanship among other things. We practiced 5-10 games every day of the week. On any given Saturday afternoon 10 - 12 would all drive to that center and watch the PBA tour and then go practice.

I see very few bowlers practicing anymore. Most just open bowl and if it isn't a near fresh house shot they won't bowl. Of the centers I am familiar with, junior programs are nowhere near that of 20-30 years ago. The junior program was the main feeder of adult leagues when I bowled it. There was probably 100 kids every Saturday morning in an 18 lane house. They even had 2 vehicles to travel around and pick kids up!

IMHO one of the biggest factors that has hurt bowling in my area is the lack of qualified and dedicated coaches/teachers. I had 3 or 4 but it was mainly because one person decided to help me improve. Thanks Ruth Leaman....

Technology hasn't hurt the PGA. Though it may have hurt bowling some, it is not the reason IMHO.

Unless there is junior league rebirth, I do not see leagues returning to pre 1990 popularity

I may be wrong, but that is my opinion.....

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THS is what is ruining bowling.

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I see your point but would you prefer a drum brake car again??? Or manual steering???

Technology happens it is called progress, believe me doing my job in 1980's and earlier I would have been a millionaire x 10. But with big corporations owning everything and reducing profit to nothing I now make half of what I made even in 1995.

Edited on 2/25/2009 6:38 PM

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