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ImaRedbird

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the art of revs?
« on: October 30, 2005, 04:12:51 PM »
ok...so i have a coach, and i wanna know is there a specific art to
increasing your revs?
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Re: the art of revs?
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2005, 01:12:29 AM »

  • Free swing

  • Relaxed Hand  

  • Firm wrist

  • Good balance

  • Deep knee bend  

  • Proper timing


All of these equate to leverage which is what you need to impart good revs.
For me the secret is relax and let it happen, not that I have a ton of revs but they match my speed pretty well.
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Re: the art of revs?
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2005, 01:43:35 AM »
The only thing I can add is: do not force revs. It is the worts thing to do, because you will grip tight, hang on the ball, top it and kill power. You may add revs, but the result is spin, but no powerful roll. Staying behind the ball during the release with a clean exit of the thumb is a must, too. I'd concebntrate on this, revs come almost automatically with a clean release. You can additionally curl your fingers upon release or tuck your pinky for extra effect, but that's just fine-tuning if you need that extra push in dire conditions.

A weak, topping release is also the reason why a wrist support will not help much - you may add revs, but when you have a poor release, it will bring almost nothing.

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scotts33

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Re: the art of revs?
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2005, 06:47:25 AM »
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Free swing

Relaxed Hand

Firm wrist

Good balance

Deep knee bend

Proper timing

All of these equate to leverage which is what you need to impart good revs.
For me the secret is relax and let it happen, not that I have a ton of revs but they match my speed pretty well.

 


I like ALL of Storm Track's points here.  I'll add one inside leverage position.  In other words the closer you can get the ball to your slide foot the more revs you will impart.  All top tier pro's and am's have their bowling ball very close to their slide foot an inside leverage position.  

ImaRedBird--If you have a good coach he will teach you how to get good technique.  Good technique=better scoring.  Also will say you don't have to tear the cover off the ball.  Take a look at Rick Lawrence/PBA on the left side.  On the flip side you have Robert Smith who you don't see on a lot of shows.  If, I were going to emulate anyone it would players like Chris Barnes, David Ozio, Brian Voss....these kind of players all have very good technique and are usually never shut out....can play all the angles.  Tape some shows and watch how they are very smooth but impart many revs and their carry is always good.

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Re: the art of revs?
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2005, 09:39:18 AM »
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Relaxed Hand

Firm wrist

 


For me, I find this difficult. If I firm my wrist, it firms my hand and if I relax my hand, it relaxes my wrist. Does anyone else have this problem or am I "odd man out"......lol

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scotts33

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Re: the art of revs?
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2005, 09:50:52 AM »
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For me, I find this difficult. If I firm my wrist, it firms my hand and if I relax my hand, it relaxes my wrist. Does anyone else have this problem or am I "odd man out"......lol



Brick--I think, I know what you speak of...I always try to think of keeping my wrist firm but more neutral not cupped but under the ball.  

Does firm to you mean squeezing?  I think if the ball fits correctly one can relax the ball in hand and neutralize their grip by not overcupping and still stay under the ball.  I've always thought that many that have the bent arm swing ala Don Carter did not get this feel.  Ball is more pushed off their hand.

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Re: the art of revs?
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2005, 09:58:03 AM »
Go to Magic Carpet's web site and read the series (4 I think) of tips on the release.  --  JohnP
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Re: the art of revs?
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2005, 10:04:09 AM »
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Does firm to you mean squeezing? I think if the ball fits correctly one can relax the ball in hand and neutralize their grip by not overcupping and still stay under the ball.  


Scott, I think that is close to the way to describe it. As for my grip, I've been struggling with it for a while now. Haven't been able to solve the problem with my local driller and have turned to some knowledgeable people here on BR for help. It makes it difficult for them to help me as much and fast on line as it would be in person, because they can't see my hand, but I think they and I are slowly getting there.....

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dizzyfugu

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Re: the art of revs?
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2005, 10:07:35 AM »
Firm wrist and relaxed hand/fingers sounds a bit odd, but it is the best description. You need a strong wrist to keep it from breaking upon the swing and release, but you must NOT grip the ball too tight so that it does not come off your hand cleanly. That's why wrist supports can be a charm - but you still need proper technique to benefit fom them. They do NOT replace bowlers' weak realeases - just the wrist
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scotts33

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Re: the art of revs?
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2005, 10:13:42 AM »
Scott, I think that is close to the way to describe it. As for my grip, I've been struggling with it for a while now. Haven't been able to solve the problem with my local driller and have turned to some knowledgeable people here on BR for help. It makes it difficult for them to help me as much and fast on line as it would be in person, because they can't see my hand, but I think they and I are slowly getting there.....

JohnP's advice on Ron's tips is always good.  I am sure you've visited there.

It's a "feel" thing I bet.  I know when I stay more under/forward roll I feel more pressure on my ring finger....come around side for more skid and side roll more pressure on index finger.  The ring finger thing is a big John Jowdy principle.  He likes the ring finger lead.  

Brick--Do you knuckle with your thumb?  Some knuckle and don't even know it.

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Re: the art of revs?
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2005, 10:42:22 AM »
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I know when I stay more under/forward roll I feel more pressure on my ring finger


Scott, this is what I am not getting, is pressure on RF and very little feel if any feel when I release the ball. I've tried every span, pitch, etc variation trying to get more feel/lift on RF and nothing has worked. For whatever reason, the majority of presure remains on MF.

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Re: the art of revs?
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2005, 11:06:14 AM »
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Scott, this is what I am not getting, is pressure on RF and very little feel if any feel when I release the ball. I've tried every span, pitch, etc variation trying to get more feel/lift on RF and nothing has worked. For whatever reason, the majority of presure remains on MF.

 


Brick--The ring finger lead is a big John Jowdy principle.  Support ALL weight in your non bowling hand to free up arm swing and push away/let ball drop some preach one way <the pushaway exaggerated> others <let ball drop>.  When, I ring finger lead it does put more pressure on my ring finger and ball has more forward roll and rolls earlier....less side roll.  I bet you get a lot of side roll.    

If, you have a copy of Bowling Execution by John Jowdy he goes thru the ring finger lead process.  Of any player, I can think of who does this rather well is David Ozio.  If, you have any tapes of him check him out.  Also, tape yourself and see what's up.  

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