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Gizmo823

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Powerhouse Blueprint, details?
« on: January 02, 2014, 02:33:13 PM »
I'm interested in picking this up, but I want to make sure I get what I'm hoping I get.  It says it's preloaded with a bunch of Ebonite Int balls, and that more are available for downloads, but what about balls that aren't Ebonite brands?  Can you plug in numbers and still have it spit you something out?  I'd say that core shape is important for post drilling numbers and reaction, and if they don't have the specific ball loaded in, I don't know how much the information would be worth.  And if Ebonite brands are all it's good for, it would be pretty worthless to me.  Anybody have any experience with it that can break it down for me? 
What would you be if you were attached to another object by an inclined plane, wrapped helically around an axis?

 

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Re: Powerhouse Blueprint, details?
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2014, 04:08:17 PM »
Blueprint is only for EBI products. I was looking into getting it as my wife thought we needed it. When I explained that it only works on EBI products she saw my point of view. I use Storms VLS system and have been very satisfied with it. It is free on Storms website. VLS allows you to put RG, Diff, and PSA strength of any ball brand.
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kidlost2000

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Re: Powerhouse Blueprint, details?
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2014, 04:12:15 PM »
Download the free trial of bp software. It is very useful for trying things and visually confirming things you have read online.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

ImBackInTheGame

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Re: Powerhouse Blueprint, details?
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2014, 04:15:05 PM »
Blueprint is a pretty amazing software from what I've seen.  Some people over at bowlingchat.net have posted some great info using it.

VLS is good, but blueprint is something completely different.  You can basically enter all the information and virtually drill a ball.  Input a bowler's stats and lane condition and it will map out an anticipated reaction. 

The downside is the database is EBI International only. 

Bowl_Freak

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Re: Powerhouse Blueprint, details?
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2014, 04:26:56 PM »
Hopefully soon someone will develop something along the lines of BP and include every manufacturer and ball made so choosing right equipment is better. But then again, bowlers or pro shops will have to know house shots, amt of oil, lane surface, length of oil, type of oil. An independent entity will come up with something if the demand is there and price is right.

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Re: Powerhouse Blueprint, details?
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2014, 04:58:14 PM »
Hopefully soon someone will develop something along the lines of BP and include every manufacturer and ball made so choosing right equipment is better. But then again, bowlers or pro shops will have to know house shots, amt of oil, lane surface, length of oil, type of oil. An independent entity will come up with something if the demand is there and price is right.

I think the concept behind BP is great. Think one has to look at their market and if it is advantageous. I live in am area where you have to bend someone's arm to get them to buy new equipment. From what I have seen I think most people that have BP charge an additional fee to the customer. I too would like to see one that covers all brands and is affordable where it did not take 3-5 years to pay for itself.
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Re: Powerhouse Blueprint, details?
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2014, 05:17:07 PM »
BP is the best out there from what i have seen, yes it is only EBI products
however, the virtual drilling you do to this ball will run a simulated "100 shots" and give you a strike percentage
also you input lane surface and pattern type.
just by tweaking the angle of a weight hole will give you different results
I dont know why you would drill a ball without this if its available to you

pretty awesome and I believe there is a free trial version of it out there
try this link
http://powerhousebowling.com/blueprint/demo


Gizmo823

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Re: Powerhouse Blueprint, details?
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2014, 10:40:28 PM »
Yeah there's a trial version, but like I said, if it's only Ebonite brands, it's basically worthless to me.  Thanks for the info, I really appreciate it!
What would you be if you were attached to another object by an inclined plane, wrapped helically around an axis?

kidlost2000

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Re: Powerhouse Blueprint, details?
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2014, 11:05:18 PM »
It isn't worthless if you try the trial version just to see all the actual affects of drilling a ball. How hole depth of fingers, thunb holes, and x-holes affect the numbers. Not to mention different x-hole locations besides just the gradient line locations. Also the surface changes you can apply for different results.

I made and saved several different graphs and other layout and x-hole spots to have for future reference. Seeing these holes affect the shift of the high rg and low rg axis along with flare was very interesting.

The name on the ball means nothing.  Seeing the results on symmetric and asymmetric cores was great. I'd pay a little money for a permanent version of the trial software just for the usefulness of it.

« Last Edit: January 02, 2014, 11:08:48 PM by kidlost2000 »
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Powerhouse Blueprint, details?
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2014, 06:52:35 AM »
Exactly my thoughts.  The trial alone was an amazing learning opportunity, and I think of something once a week that I would like to Blueprint.  This weeks was, "what is the actual difference in differential between using a low flaring pin to pap vs a high flaring pin to pap with a P1?"

I'd love to have Blueprint just to answer questions like that for myself, and I'm not even a pro shop.

Dave81644

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Re: Powerhouse Blueprint, details?
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2014, 09:41:19 AM »
Seeing as EBI sells 50% of the bowling balls in the world.
As a business, why would you offer the competitors information on something you have spent $$ on the develop (I imagine quite a bit of $$ as well)

If you can take the software, use it properly based on your specs and pick a layout on a particular piece of equipment that has a 95% percent or higher simulated strike ratio.
why would you want to use something else?
I would bet that is what the folks who designed and paid for this technology were thinking.

Marketing 101, I have something appealing that you don't, therefore I have an advantage
It doesn't actually mean you will buy from me, but it will mean you will take a look and see what I can offer.
That's half the battle right there with basic consumerism

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Re: Powerhouse Blueprint, details?
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2014, 09:43:33 AM »
On top of that, Rumor is that its about to have an upgrade package pretty soon.
Will have some amazing upgrades

Gizmo823

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Re: Powerhouse Blueprint, details?
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2014, 12:34:39 PM »
I didn't say it was worthless, just worthless to me for the purpose I wanted to use it for.  Yeah, it's fun to play with, but we just don't have enough use for it to justify the cost, and once you get the concept of how it all works, you can get really close to what you're after.  I hadn't realized it was an Ebonite exclusive software, I knew they'd developed it, but I didn't know that they hadn't "worked a deal" with the other companies to make it all inclusive.  We don't drill a lot of Ebonite brands, so the return isn't worth the expense for us. 

But I know how this is going to work too, if I say we don't need to get that specific or technical, then I get comments, "You're doing your customers a disservice if you aren't giving them the best of what's out there or putting your full knowledge and effort into it," and if I get really anal and technical about it, then I get, "You know it really doesn't matter that much right?  You won't notice the small differences on a house shot anyway, you're into the law of diminishing returns."  I just wanted information on the software, not an ethics debate. 
What would you be if you were attached to another object by an inclined plane, wrapped helically around an axis?

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Re: Powerhouse Blueprint, details?
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2014, 04:50:33 PM »
I've never used Blueprin, but have read a lot about it on bowlingchat.net.  Several posters said that if you can find an Ebonite ball with specs similar to the one you're interested in, the Blueprint results will be similar also.  --  JohnP