I'll chime in with the Defiant. For my game (18-22mph, 420 revs), it easily works on longer patterns and those with heavy volume up front. The thing I like is that it offers a predictable motion and takes surface changes well. I've used 2000 grit when I need an earlier read on heavier conditions. Normally I leave it at the box 4000 grit finish. Either way, it's a great ball and it fits a lot of styles well.