Just been skimming through this from Mo Pinel.

I haven’t seen it before and was wondering what others thoughts are.

Some new conclusions from the new rules for weight holes.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rOOZdetR2Fs

There's a nice chunk of pros that recommitted themselves to fitness and their careers are seeing a nice little uptick because of it. The guys keeping themselves in great shape seem to be sharper than ever in their 50s like Parker, Amleto, Pete, and Walter (who might be throwing it as good as he ever has RN). These guys stay in great shape.

i remember 45 years when a young kid showed up on tour, they said he threw the ball to hard, jerked thru the shot to much, hooked half the lane (that was a lot back then) and would never be consistent enough to make it on tour. Mark Roth was just able to do what no one else could do, proved it worked and the "haters" hated.

I'll be the first to admit I complain about two handers as much as anyone, but, if i could throw it like them I would! The game is evolving and like it or not, some of us are going to be left behind. Yeah, sucks to get old.

FWIW, back in the day, as hard as we tried, my friends and i could never do what Roth did either. Same situation, different era.

Quote from: tommygn on September 12, 2018, 08:24:58 AM

Quote from: avabob on September 11, 2018, 01:50:52 PM

Hi tech cores arent the problem, nor are 2 handers.  The problem is that high friction shells blow up any lane pattern too quickly.   Advancements in oils havent been able to combat sanded, or even box condition resin shells.  Polyester shells, or even urethane at 4000 grit would force players to play the pattern initially, rather than blow it up.  If a high rev player can square up enough initially until they open up, they deserve to score.

The PWBA tour don't blow patterns up near as fast as the PBA tour, using the same equipment and just as much, if not more surface. That's just a fact.

Their rev rates don't force them in near as much, leveling of the depletion throughout the lane.

Using the two handed style creates more players using a higher rev rate than what people would have if they had to take the time to learn to curve it a lot traditionally. It's like finding a cheat code for a video game to take you to level 20 in an instant.

Creating power has always been a cheat code on house shots, two handed or one.  That said, I know very very few local two handers that compete at a high level on challenging patterns. The majority get exposed, and the ones that don't are guys that work just as hard on their game as the one handers.

There is no cheat code to getting better at bowling. Taking advantage of patterns that are DESIGNED to be taken advantage of is simple efficiency. But challenging conditions quickly separate the bowlers from the throwers. 

Don't like bowlers that take advantage of their environment? Find another environment. Just like two handers, I know exactly what conditions give me an advantage, and I seek those tournaments out. If there are no situations where you have an advantage, the only person to blame is you.

10 and 12 year old kids can create more rev rate throwing it two handed. They CANNOT rev it that way, if they threw it traditionally without lots of practice and time put forth. It's just plan facts.

Cheat code.

Don't misunderstand, I'm not saying they are cheating as there is nothing in the rules against doing it, just as there are nothing in the rules about using a cheat code in a video game. But denying the facts, is disingenuous.

It will be interesting for sure!

Wow, who called the fun police? These damn 10 year olds, their weak bones, and scrawnny little hands. Who do they think they are, revving the piss out of it to shoot 170 with 8 strikes in a Saturday morning youth league.

Someone, quick.... snatch the accomplishment from this little cheater while we're at it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwprwsEK2q8


....14lb plastic ball with only 2 holes in it btw.

Opinionated hyperbole, that really adds to the topic.  Have any real facts to add to supplement your opinion?

LEFT HANDED AND TWO HANDED? JUST GIVE HIM ALL THE TITLES NOW!

I remember when bowling was fun for me too!

Can't have it both ways. Can't call something "athletic" when it's the very way, as you described, a scrawny little 10 year old, can do it.

There's a bunch of scrawny 10 year old football, basketball, track & field, baseball, wrestling, jiu-jitsu, volleyball, lacrosse, hockey players (And Bowlers Shocker!) that are much more athletic than most adults.

Where the hell do you think athleticism comes from? From the big Sky-Daddy upstairs? LOL..... It comes from repeating athletic motions that grow fast twitch muscle fibers from a young age. Some call it exercise, some call it practice.

....sorry for the masked vulgarity, I was triggered like a two handed bowler throwing messenger 6 pairs away from me.

And to finish the two handed point that it always comes back to... There's good two handers and there's bad two handers. The people saying "two handed bowling is ruining the sport" or "it's cheating" are solely focused on the success of 5-10 outliers that make up 0.00025 percent of the registered USBC bowlers. Those guys might bowl with 1% of this website in 1-2 tournaments a year and there's even a greater chance that you'll cross with them, much less be affected by their lane play.

If you're worried about a future of 8 two handers to a pair on a league night with 5-man teams then, I understand. But by then, it'll be time to join the Monday Morning Holy Rollers Senior leagues.

Have fun kids! (*Unless bowling)
Follow your dreams kids! (*Unless it's to bowl like Belmo)
You can be anything you want in life if you work hard kids! (*unless you wanna be a lousy cheating 2 handed bowler)