Sales guy pitch coming up. Avert your eyes if staffer words hurt you.

This rule couldn't come at a better time for me. 1, I hardly ever use weight holes, so I think I may just have to plug a small hole in my Booyah. Nothing else in my bag has holes.

2. I have on the way, from top to bottom, Sumo SE, Truth Tour, Dream On, 2 Tacticals, Badger, HB, Boost, Shadow Ops, After Dark Pearl. May throw a Contniuum in there as well. The big symmetricals on top were already planned out to be 4*30 because the TT seems to be better the stronger you drill it, and the core in the Sumo is a monster already.

The truths that we already knew for years and years have been there. Now, they're just being enforced by rules. We're going to see a large drop off in symmetricals and more assyms made just to get around the whole no hole rule. More lower intermediate diff core designs will pop up (.008 to .012) and that will become the way of things. In our camp, I wouldn't be opposed to seeing the Missing Link core come back. Bump up the intermediate diff and have a pretty handy low end ball.

Guys like Mo and Nick are way too smart to let this rule stop them from getting the motion they desire.

This is the exact stuff that is pushing me out of the game.  This ball, that ball, this layout, that layout, this pattern, that pattern, this surface, that surface ...... give me a freakin' break already.  I needed weightholes but now I can't have weightholes after spending $1500+ on equipment. Now I need to plug it or start over?  Somehow, someway that is going to preserve the lane condition according to the USBC in an email I received.   Who are these new rules supposed to target and what do they hope to accomplish other than running us middle-aged guys off.  (We are the ones with the money BTW ...... so the proprietors better wake up)

Address the REAL issues already !!!! 2 HANDED BOWLERS GENERATING 600RPM BLOWING APART EVERY PATTERN THEY TOUCH AND MEGA-WALLS THAT PERMIT THE USE OF HOOK MONSTERS (OR THE COMBINATION OF BOTH).   Watch the house pros throwing their Kingpin Max (or any other hook monster) over 20 in practice and you have bowling in 2018.  No wonder that patterns don't hold up and become over/under train wrecks.  Eliminate the 2 handers and mega-wall shots (taper is good but c'mon man !!) and TADA !!!!! Bowling is fixed !!  It's affordable again !!  You don't need a 4 ball roller full of the latest and greatest to take to your beer league... people can complete on a smaller budget and spend money on linage and drinks instead of $250 on something that is now illegal or "outdated" (load of B.S. - equipment will last years if properly maintained - that's a biggie for people on fixed budgets) in 6 months. 

I have been bowling for 40+ years and I am ready to pack it in.  It's not sour grapes, its not butt-hurt .... its just plain disgust.  This game basically saved my life 20+ years ago and now it's trashed.  Its a simple lack of oversight by the USBC that could be easily remedied with a few rule changes about how the GAME is played and not the equipment. 

F IT.  I'd rather tee up a Titleist anyway then spend my time in a greasy smelling bowling alley
 

Bowling was screwed long before 2 handers. I wish people would stop putting the whole blame on a style. If you think that 2 handers are the problem, then you're the problem yourself. We need to demand a fair playing field and make them tougher.

Now, that's not to say make them Woody Demma tough, just make them less easy.

That reminds me, I need to go bowl some of his stuff. It's been a minute.

Pin over bridge, CG in palm, discussion over. If you cant control that on 90% of THS, then you shouldn't be bowling and it take statics out of question.

Agreed.

"This ball/style/pattern/rule is ruining the game"- same guys who don't bowl for money, nor practices, and has had the same average since '93

House shot has ruined it. Prove me wrong lol.

Quote from: DP3 on September 11, 2018, 11:14:38 AM

"This ball/style/pattern/rule is ruining the game"- same guys who don't bowl for money, nor practices, and has had the same average since '93

House shot has ruined it. Prove me wrong lol.

House shot is the only chance you have of getting new blood into the sports side.  Sure you can lay out the US Open pattern for all open bowling but when adult males start barely beating their little kids the house ball is only ball they will ever throw and less frequently as well.

I’ve said it before, and yes, I’ll keep on saying it.

 Bowling got far too technical. FAR too technical. Like, WAAAAY FAR too technical.


 No, I’m no longer shouting that we should “go back”, that ship has sailed. What I am saying is bowling is one of those rare things that was better in a simpler form.


 Technological improvements are good, up to a point. Past that point, it just becomes change for changes sake. Bowling actually passed that point sometime in the 1980’s.

(Yes, I like my modern car, and my refrigerator, and my connected WiFi tv. That’s not what I’m saying. What I’m talking about is, do you want a great, technologically advanced beer, or just a simple, regularly brewed one that tastes good? Me, I’ll take the good tasting one)


Now, bowling is what it is. We’ve given our “simple and innocent” sport over to technological “advances” and “improvements”, all while trying to make things better, never realizing that it was the simplicity of it that made it beautiful to begin with.

 Take it for what it’s worth. I loved bowling when I got started with my old Manhattan Rubber ball in the 1970’s, and I love it still. I just wish things hadn’t progressed the way they have. I honestly think things would have been better if things had stayed simpler.

Did enjoy recently throwing the old man's Amflite MagicLine even though its a 13.3lber.  Still viable in the dry house I bowl.  Sadly at that weight going to be relegated to swing practice or when I get older than that ball is now.  Rubber hits better than polyester imo (might get heavier one someday, hit way better than my 14lb old viz-a-ball).  I do enjoy throwing the gems even if supposed to own the same just released super whiz bang ball as every other chuckle head.  Because score and $$$ = everything.

Hi tech cores arent the problem, nor are 2 handers.  The problem is that high friction shells blow up any lane pattern too quickly.   Advancements in oils havent been able to combat sanded, or even box condition resin shells.  Polyester shells, or even urethane at 4000 grit would force players to play the pattern initially, rather than blow it up.  If a high rev player can square up enough initially until they open up, they deserve to score.