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The not so hard USBC shot on my local lanes.
« on: March 11, 2013, 05:45:32 PM »
I went to bowl a game today and they had (supposedly) the USBC shot out on 8 lanes.  I shot 235 on it.  What a joke.  Mind you, it's my 4th game in 13 months, after knee replacement - timing is off, nothing feels right, and 235?  Hitting the pocket was simple:  weak ball (Track 300) straight up 6, moderate to slow speed.  I've heard that there have been several 800+ scores at the tournament so far.  Did someone decide to make up for what I've heard were very difficult shots the last several tournaments?  All I can say is, that if this is the real USBC shot, you better have on your scoring shoes when you go.

And yes, I realize that topography plays a big part in difficulty, but this just struck me as way too simple.  I'm hoping the my house got the shot wrong.
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Re: The not so hard USBC shot on my local lanes.
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2013, 06:09:57 PM »
According to Bowl.com, the current leaders as of 3/11/2012 @ 5:00 PM

Regular Singles 731
Regular Doubles 1341
Regular Team 3114

Doesn't look like they are shooting that high.
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Re: The not so hard USBC shot on my local lanes.
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2013, 06:22:39 PM »
Your house got it wrong and/or it's the lane surface.  My brother took a lesson with Jasnau before we bowled, it was the team pattern, he pretty much struck at will.  When it came time to bowl, he didn't shoot 500.  Shot played VERY different
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Re: The not so hard USBC shot on my local lanes.
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2013, 07:02:46 PM »
The best bowlers in the United States bowl this tournament every single year.  The cream will rise to the top and shoot great numbers every year no matter the shot.  There will always be a dozen 800s and a couple dozen 300s due to the law of numbers.  Say there's 70 individual people that put up these scores, and say 10,000 bowlers that bowl this tournament that's less than 1% doing the actual scoring.  Don't you think that's a fair ratio of people scoring?  The average 1-2 night a week bowler is not going to go in and average 230.  This should be self explanatory enough don't you think?  Not to mention the pressure of bowling at a major event.  Unbelievable.

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Re: The not so hard USBC shot on my local lanes.
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2013, 11:45:26 PM »
It was probably a good match up with your slower speed due to the knee issues.  Getting the ball to read and slow down on flatter patterns is important.  I'm pretty sure that for the majority of bowlers the patterns will be a good test.  Nice job, and good luck as you continue your return to the lanes.


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Re: The not so hard USBC shot on my local lanes.
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2013, 07:36:54 AM »
Might depend on which pattern it is too, I heard the singles and doubles pattern isn't too bad. 
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Re: The not so hard USBC shot on my local lanes.
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2013, 08:00:13 AM »
While putting down the shots is easy to do (with a kegel machine) there's too many other variables ie: the oil (new this year), the cleaner ratio, lane surface, etc.

Typically there's already way too much lane memory of the house pattern to get the condition close to the actual pattern.  Yes they may end up playing somewhat the same at some centers, but totally different at others.  I expect the scoring pace to be similar to years past.  If you read one of Rigg's blogs about the patterns, he does an interview with the guy from Kegel talking about the new Oil being used this year, it's a pretty good read.

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Re: The not so hard USBC shot on my local lanes.
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2013, 10:58:35 AM »
One other possible consideration, if you were bowling by yourself.  You did not have up to 9 other bowlers transitioning the shot with you. 

There are bowlers who walk into the team event on the first night of nationals and shoot 700.  They matched up well to the pattern.

60% or greater will not and struggle to shoot 530 as the regular division average is typically between 173-175 for all bowlers by the end of the tournament.

There are certain patterns that match up well for certain bowlers.

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Re: The not so hard USBC shot on my local lanes.
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2013, 11:03:05 AM »
I went to bowl a game today and they had (supposedly) the USBC shot out on 8 lanes.  I shot 235 on it.  What a joke.  Mind you, it's my 4th game in 13 months, after knee replacement - timing is off, nothing feels right, and 235?  Hitting the pocket was simple:  weak ball (Track 300) straight up 6, moderate to slow speed.  I've heard that there have been several 800+ scores at the tournament so far.  Did someone decide to make up for what I've heard were very difficult shots the last several tournaments?  All I can say is, that if this is the real USBC shot, you better have on your scoring shoes when you go.

And yes, I realize that topography plays a big part in difficulty, but this just struck me as way too simple.  I'm hoping the my house got the shot wrong.

Also take into consideration that your lane surface and oil used are also pretty different.  When you bowled on the lanes, had there already been some bowling done on them or did you bowl on them fresh?  We had the USBC shot down also over the weekend during a demo and someone was playing 4th-5th arrow with a First Blood and swinging out to about 10-12 and looked like he had the world.  HOWEVER....the oil used broke down pretty fast and most other people were playing right.  So whose to say they had not tracked out the area around 8-10 and he was playing their bump? 

This is why the pros can make a hard pattern look easy on tv.  They get 30 minutes to warm up and manipulate the pattern.  So by the time the show starts, that harder pattern looks like a house shot for them.
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Re: The not so hard USBC shot on my local lanes.
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2013, 01:54:58 PM »
Thanks for that information - Was wonder how in the world they could hook that much lane on sport shot not designed for that...

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Re: The not so hard USBC shot on my local lanes.
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2013, 02:07:01 PM »
You bowled one game....shot 235...and the shot is easy?  Maybe you just got lucky and threw a handful of good shots....that or you're ready for the tour.

This guys started the US Open off with a 222...guess that shot is easy too?

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Re: The not so hard USBC shot on my local lanes.
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2013, 07:47:16 PM »
Lots of reasons that the pattern wont play the same in a local center.  Biggest reason it usually plays easier is that they usually don't double strip when they set it up.  Thus a lot of house shot residual is still sitting out there. 

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Re: The not so hard USBC shot on my local lanes.
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2013, 09:11:07 PM »
I saw this one movie where a 12 year old kid broke his arm and when it healed he ended up pitching for the Chicago Cubs. Maybe something similar is going on with your knee?
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Re: The not so hard USBC shot on my local lanes.
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2013, 09:15:00 PM »
Fly out to Reno and let us know how you finish.
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Re: The not so hard USBC shot on my local lanes.
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2013, 09:07:22 AM »
All the shots at Ragnar seem a little baseless to me . . some of the responses are quite accurate and informative, but some of the other responses could have been similar in nature without the juvenile-ish taunts and challenges. 
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