Author Topic: The only incentive of being an extra member on a team (Read 1069 times)

BrianCRX90 · « **on:** April 21, 2010, 10:29:57 AM »

For those that are or have been in a situation where a team asks you to be an extra member on a team, this would apply to you. Most leagues will have a rule where you can add a certain number of extra members to your team. One benefit is if your just a sub filling in then you can''t bowl on position rounds. However, a "bend" in the rules is if you have an extra member on your team you are allowed to bowl on position rounds. The other incentive of this is you don''t have to pay a sub fee which many leagues have.

Now, if your filling in for someone for that week you get to bowl for free. The person you are filling in for that is bowling the majority of the season it is that person''s responsibility to pay the week they missed and the current week they attend. Otherwise, there is no point of being an extra member. If that extra member doesn''t show up, the person that was out has to pay anyways.

Now, if you are in a position where someone asks you to fill in multiple weeks then that is different. The person that is out may ask you if you can pay the weekly fee. This is when you come to an agreement that you can, but only if you get a percentage of the prize fund at the end of the season whether it be small or large depending on how many weeks you are paying.

Why would anyone pay a weekly fee being a true extra member? Does anyone want to bowl so bad for 3-6 weeks or whatever and get nothing in return at the end of the season? You might as well be a sub and pay the sub fee. Granted you would be denied position rounds but why would anyone pay weekly fees that is filling in for someone not get anything in return? I have heard of many people this has happened to and never occurred to them they are entitled money from the prize fund at the end of the season. This happened to me once and it didn''t occur to me either. No longer I will ever put myself in that position. Someone is saving money for them and taking the share of the prize fund while you get nothing and that''s wrong. I''m just wondering how many others know about this or had this happened before to them.

Edited on 4/21/2010 6:30 PM

Track_Fanatic · « **Reply #1 on:** April 21, 2010, 07:09:53 PM »

A few years back I was asked to sub for a guy who got his hours changed at work. I ended up bowling 2/3 of the season. I didn't pay a dime. There was another guy who bowled maybe 6 times. The captain of the team indicated that whatever playoff money our team won, I would get that share. I thought that would work out and eventually we ended up in 3rd place if I recall. My cut was going to be about $175. Well, when it came down to doing the money at the end of the night, the captain gives the guy who showed up for 6 weeks the amount of what we won for being high series in the league which was $100 (I thought that was kinda high, plus he wasn't there when we bowled it, I was). Then the captain decides to change the arrangement we had and give me $100. Mind you, I was helping this team out by bowling and my travel was an hour combined a night. If the regular bowler bowled, I do not believe they would have been anywhere close to where they ended up. Needless to say, they asked me if I wanted to be on their roster again the following season. I expressed my concerns as to the arrangement we made, and kindly declined. I stated that if you want to give me what the original arrangement was, I would not have a problem with it. After that season, the team stuck together 1 more year and then fell apart. I wouldn't have had a problem with it had the captain told me upfront that no money is involved and then if they decided to do something at the end of the season, that would be great. A bonus. But it didn't work out that way. To this day, whenever I see this person who was the team captain, it's very awkward. Too bad it ended up the way it did. We did have good karma as a team.

chawk17 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 21, 2010, 07:34:31 PM »

Well, I have a couple of thoughts:

if a bowler is the offical 6th man for 5 man team (as in on the roster) I feel that bowler should pay the entire dues each weeks he bowls. that will also entitle him to a share of the winnings, at least portotional to the weeks that he paid for but that is a detail that should be worked out as a team.

When bowling only a handful of weeks, i think the bowler should be on the sublist if there is a sublist. I bowl in a league, 4 man teams, no sublist. in order to bowl you must be on a team roster. Even if it means taht you bowl only once.

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Jay · « **Reply #3 on:** April 21, 2010, 11:16:51 PM »

I'm right there with you. There's a league that I wanted to be a sub in but they only allowed extra members of each team. I really think if I'd joined a team I would have been forced to pay. There was also a rule that unless you had X amount of games you could not bowl in the roll offs at the end of the season. So I wasn't going to pay the weekly fee to "sub" when there's a chance I wouldn't have bowled that X amount of games. Although, if I did pay, you make the point of still getting a portion of the prize fund.
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No Revs00300 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 22, 2010, 02:22:03 AM »

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Well, I have a couple of thoughts:

if a bowler is the offical 6th man for 5 man team (as in on the roster) I feel that bowler should pay the entire dues each weeks he bowls. that will also entitle him to a share of the winnings, at least portotional to the weeks that he paid for but that is a detail that should be worked out as a team.

When bowling only a handful of weeks, i think the bowler should be on the sublist if there is a sublist. I bowl in a league, 4 man teams, no sublist. in order to bowl you must be on a team roster. Even if it means taht you bowl only once.

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I agree completely.

atltnpnr · « **Reply #5 on:** April 22, 2010, 02:36:23 AM »

I have been a roster member on several leagues. 1 league I bowled well over half the season for a guy that payed some but the other team members payed the rest. When it came for payoff night they wanted to give me 1/4 of the winnings and I said "yawl split it, because I bowled free".
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agroves · « **Reply #6 on:** April 22, 2010, 04:15:04 AM »

We have 6 members on my Tues night team. 5 regulars and a 6th man that fills in when needed. The 5 regulars pay each and every week. The 6th man does not pay at all. However, he does not get any prize money either(if the team receives any high game/series money and he bowled that night, he gets his fair share).

This system works for us and this guy gets to bowl for free whenever we need him which is about once a month.

I've bowled on other teams with a 6th man. If you were low the previous week, you sat out a week and the high 4 plus the other member bowled the next week. On that team, the 5 members bowling that night paid and we split the $$ 6 ways at the end of the year. We split any high game/series money amongst the guys that bowled the night of the score.

So, the correct answer here is what the team agrees to is the way it should be.
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stormed1 · « **Reply #7 on:** April 22, 2010, 07:23:40 AM »

For several years on my Monday league we had a 6 man roster. 1st night of league we would each draw a number and that was the week in the rotation you say out. For position rounds we decided as a team who gave us the best chance against who we were bowling. As far as paying goes we took the total amount due by the team and divided it by 6. That was what you were responsible for. At the end of the year we split the prize money by 6 and that was it other than individual awards such as high game/series which would go to the individual bowler.
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Aloarjr810 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 22, 2010, 07:42:06 AM »

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We have 6 members on my Tues night team. 5 regulars and a 6th man that fills in when needed. The 5 regulars pay each and every week. The 6th man does not pay at all. However, he does not get any prize money either(if the team receives any high game/series money and he bowled that night, he gets his fair share).

This system works for us and this guy gets to bowl for free whenever we need him which is about once a month.

I''ve bowled on other teams with a 6th man. If you were low the previous week, you sat out a week and the high 4 plus the other member bowled the next week. On that team, the 5 members bowling that night paid and we split the $$ 6 ways at the end of the year. We split any high game/series money amongst the guys that bowled the night of the score.

So, the correct answer here is what the team agrees to is the way it should be.

My Thursday night league has done both of these. The only real problem we had was some confusion on who payed for certain nights. Like when the low man who was to sit out had to bowl because one of the other guys couldn''t bowl.

As for the payout everyone will get money based on the weeks they paid for.

Take total prize money and divide by 170 weeks (34weeks X 5 bowlers). This will give you the amount of a one week share. Then multiply the number of weeks paid for by the bowler times the one share amount.
Example-
Bowler A 33w
Bowler B 34w
Bowler C 31w
Bowler D 27w
Bowler E 29w
Bowler F 16w
Total weeks 170

Edited on 4/22/2010 7:43 AM

Author Topic: The only incentive of being an extra member on a team (Read 1069 times)

BrianCRX90

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