Author Topic: The state of BR ??? post gathering (Read 1296 times)

bowlerdawg · « **on:** July 27, 2009, 01:19:18 AM »

I just wrapped up an awesome weekend at the gathering with some GREAT people who are members of this site.

In talking with them, I found many turned off by the bickering / name calling that goes on here.

I found this fact to be disheartening, because these guys are very knowledgeable about the sport and their input should be welcomed. I have also heard through this site many countless others who are turned off by this also.

I still think BR has the biggest draw of people, and I know it is filled with great people. I wish they did not get discouraged and leave.

I know when there are things I needed help with, that I post them up here, and I get help with the subject I posted about, and I am very appreciative of this.

I also know that I have not necessarily been a good steward on this site, but I apologize for my part in that, and my behavior will change.

This site has too many good people on it, and I guess I just want to say thanks
and I hope they stick around.

Bowlers are some of the best people you will ever meet

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still looking for a pearl cherry bomb

janderson · « **Reply #1 on:** July 27, 2009, 03:15:05 PM »

It helps to be (at least) a little thick-skinned. Like the real world, there are all different kinds of people that make up the community here at BR. Some people are here trying to improve their game, or understand more about the technology, or get opinions on equipment. Others are here to just enjoy, whether it is by joking around on just about any topic or arguing a point to distraction. Some people join debate teams because they like to debate!

There are others that enjoy themselves by tormenting (or attempting to) torment others for whatever reason or reasons. I'm not really sure how that contributes to the good of anything or anyone other than the poster. For anyone who doesn't like comments made by these types of posters, I would suggest to you that you are free to ignore - either with the "ignore" option or otherwise - whatever you want to ignore. Only you can determine whether or not you are offended by what anyone else posts.

To those posters who contribute positively to the site but rarely post anymore, I wish you'd return. Even those who read and never post can tell the difference between those who make sense and have something to say and those who do not. People will always disagree with you. If Walter Ray Williams signed up using an alternate name and made posts about what it takes to win a national PBA title, there would be people who disagreed with him. Other people would call him names.

I'd still read his posts.

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J.J. "Better than Jello" Anderson - Kill the back row

leftyinsnellville · « **Reply #2 on:** July 27, 2009, 03:17:44 PM »

WRW, Jr. is a putz...

bowlerdawg · « **Reply #3 on:** July 27, 2009, 03:27:26 PM »

quote:
WRW, Jr. is a putz...

Shirley Franklin is a PUTZ

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still looking for a pearl cherry bomb

janderson · « **Reply #4 on:** July 27, 2009, 03:48:36 PM »

PUTZ? That looks like an acronym! What does it stand for?

michelle · « **Reply #5 on:** July 28, 2009, 02:54:08 PM »

Never have made it to any of the gatherings, but met a few members in the early days of BR as I bowled in different parts of the country...I would have to say that I echo some of what was reported to be discussed at the gathering though...I can also echo that we have lost some valued members of the site through the years, some due to bickering, some due to burnout and some simply because of being tired of rehashing the same stuff year after year (remember that this site evolved from the eTeamz site something like eight years ago).

Some are simply an older demographic and view the communications from the old days as we would a real conversation. We aren't the text message era that tossed conventions such as spelling and grammar to the wind. There are also very few in that demographic that tended to subscribe to the ad hominem method of response that seems so popular with some people today.

leftyinsnellville · « **Reply #6 on:** July 28, 2009, 03:16:03 PM »

quote:
PUTZ? That looks like an acronym! What does it stand for?

It's yiddish. It means penis

leftyinsnellville · « **Reply #7 on:** July 28, 2009, 03:19:25 PM »

quote:
quote:
WRW, Jr. is a putz...

Shirley Franklin is a MAJOR PUTZ

Fixed.

WillynHook · « **Reply #8 on:** July 29, 2009, 10:17:56 AM »

B-dawg,...

I used to post a lot. When I first found this board 7(?) years ago there was
more signal than noise that took place where the discussions remained civil
and on topic. And, I was able to join in the discussion and ask questions while
getting great information. I liked debating the bowling issues of core design,
coverstocks, cg-maddah, cg-nomadah, drill patterns, oil pattern strategy, etc.
I greatly enjoyed the days when "1MechEng," "purduepaul"(Paul Ridenour
USBC Senior Research Engineer), me, and many others would have
a very long civil debate thread that lasted days. We sometimes agreed, sometimes not,
but I (we) would try to discuss it logically with support for my (our)
view points and would actually ask questions and learn something during the
process.

However, there is a excitable sect of the board that seems to label a person
after awhile. You become someone who foolishly believes "X" when they
righteously believe "Y." When that sect finds you then the discussion becomes
chest thumping treetop hooting idiocracy.

<example posts>

Post 4
This <insert derogatory name> thinks <insert thought> when <insert company>
shows clearly that <insert counter thought>. This <insert word "fool"> is
a <cool-aid drinking zoltan that is an ignoramous>.

Post 5
am not!

Post 6
are too!

Post 345
wah! you <insert insult>

</example posts>

But, I still post occassionally when I see a good debate going that is not
in the land of bowling 'putz'ery. When I see someone ask an honest question,
looking for some ball advice, trying to figure something out, I will try to
offer something up. After all, I have found some good friends here over the
years.

Dr. Joe

ps.... and for the record

putz - (Yiddish) a fool an idiot
Yiddish - a dialect of High German including some Hebrew and other words spoken in Europe as a vernacular by many Jews written in the Hebrew script
fool, muggins, saphead, tomfool, sap - a person who lacks good judgment
2. putz - obscene terms for p*nis, vulgarism, obscenity, smut, filth - an offensive or indecent word or phrase

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if you could do what you imagine"

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Edited on 7/29/2009 11:06 AM

kev3inp · « **Reply #9 on:** July 29, 2009, 02:05:11 PM »

Dr. Joe, and J: I couldn't have said it better myself. Even though we were a little smaller group this year I still had a great time. We arrange our whole year around the Gathering and that won't change.

Bowlerdawg: I really haven't seen much of an argumentative nature from you, but that's only because: 1. I don't read most of the stuff in the non-bowling misc forum 2. Once a discussion begins to degenerate into the micturation competition I stop reading and go on to the next one. Then, I don't bother to go back. 3. If it's a legitimate question and the local "bowling gods" start in right away with the insults like "that's a stupid question" I make an addition to my ignore list and move on.

I'm just not finding a whole lot of content here that interests me any longer, and there are other places (that are much better moderated) to go. I'm sure it won't be long before we hear from some microcephalic denizen of the muck about how we can all leave and we won't be missed. And may his wish be granted.
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janderson · « **Reply #10 on:** July 29, 2009, 03:09:22 PM »

quote:
putz - (Yiddish) a fool an idiot
Yiddish - a dialect of High German including some Hebrew and other words spoken in Europe as a vernacular by many Jews written in the Hebrew script
fool, muggins, saphead, tomfool, sap - a person who lacks good judgment

I've never heard "muggins" or "saphead". Wow, I learned something today on BallReviews.

Many of the recycled topics are to be expected. We can only guess at the number of posters who sign up, but only hang out for a week or so and then never log in again. You can see the initial excitement and a host of "What's your favorite _______ ball for/from _________" topics. (That might be something for each bowler to post in her/his profile. It's more productive than a laundry list of past, current, future equipment.)

Either way, after you've responded to a similar post 5, 10, 25 times, it's difficult to think of anything new to say.

We all get emotional. Life is all about how you react to what happens. There was a topic a couple of weeks back in which another poster challenged me by saying "you couldn't possibly know that". Initially, I was irritated, but then cooled my heels for a bit and realized the other poster was right to challenge my sources.

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J.J. "Better than Jello" Anderson - Kill the back row

Graaille · « **Reply #11 on:** July 29, 2009, 03:19:16 PM »

re: Dr. Joe
1. Gotta love a response w/examples.
2. Never ask a question where Dr. Joe can hear/see it unless you want a detailed answer.
3. I've found that I visit only parts of the site, and depending on what the topic is, or who started it - there are entire forums that I skip intensionally due to behaviour. Works for me.

I've found that if I ask a question in all earnestness on the forums, the better responses have been from people who would rather pm me the info vs drop it into the thread itself. Plus having been here a decent while, I've got in my mind a list of people who, should I have a more specific question, I can pm directly to get input.

Mind you, this is the third revision of this post, which I had to do so that I could remove comments that might be insulting or demeaning to some who could possibly read it. The backspace button/delete button are great tools, as is a 5 minute walk before posting. (FYI)

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