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pchee2

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The truth about ballreviews and Scott Scriver
« on: May 26, 2003, 06:27:07 AM »

There are a lot of unanswered questions that need to be addressed.  I'll ask the questions that everyone wants to know but they don't because they are afraid.   Afraid?  Not I, I am the Mighty Peach without the pits!

Before I get to "bend over and hold the position mode", let me first start off by saying that Scott did a good job of with many aspects of the site like its development and marketing.  For a while it was about his passion, however, it turned out to be all about the money.   In the early stages of ballreviews he was a good guy, but toward the latter stages he just turned out to be one who only cares about himself.  Now to the good stuff.  

1.   Question:  Why was the gold membership being pushed so hard when all the while the site was going to be sold?

Analysis:     Selling the site just doesn't happen overnight.   It takes a long time to negotiate any such sale.  Scott already had plans on selling the site yet he created the gold membership to bring him more money.   Think about it.

Answer:   Money.   Money needed to fund a family vacation on a cruise ship called "Gold Member"

2.  Question:  Why wasn't there any word about selling the site?

Analysis:  If members knew that the site going to be sold then the members would not have signed up to become gold members.

Answer:   Money.  If no one signed up then no family vacation aboard the cruise ship "Gold Member."

3. Question:   Why didn't Scott just ask for site donations to the site in order to keep it running?

Analysis:  Asking for donations means that the site is poor, thus unmarketable to future owners/investors.  Scott would not have gotten much money for a site that needs funding.  Now if he can show that the site turns a profit (gold members) then he can sell the site for more money.   In otherwords, if the site is worth something new owners will pay for it.  But if its not worth anything they won't.

Answer:  Money.  The cruise ship "Gold Member" costs a lot to host a family.  The more money the investors pay the more money allocated towards the cruise.

4. Question:   Why the new rules and why was the anything goes forum deleted?

Analysis:  The site was more marketable without the trash talk, it wasn't because Scott was tired of complaints.  Scott wanted to show his product to the new future owners and he wanted the "clean bowling site" so that he could get the most money for it.

Answer:  Money.   Less trash talk and more bowling talk equals more money from bowling investors, thus more money for Scott for his "Gold Member" cruise ship.

 These are just a few and there will be many more to come.  Stay tuned!  

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Re: The truth about ballreviews and Scott Scriver
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2003, 09:55:43 PM »
If I recall correctly back when people were giving him a hard time, and he issued the challege to anyone about taking over the site he said that he was going to be working on some "new" project and was not going to be spending a lot of time on ball reviews.

I think he was giving you a clue there.  I'll have to flip through here and see if I can find the post, but that is what I got out of his message.

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Re: The truth about ballreviews and Scott Scriver
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2003, 10:10:01 PM »
He also made the offer to any of the members to buy the site, didnt he?
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Re: The truth about ballreviews and Scott Scriver
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2003, 10:18:14 PM »
Pchee2, Saw Mill and others knew that Scott was trying to sell the site over a year ago.  We were all at dinner at one of the Casino's Buffets in Vegas when Scott told all of us that he was trying to sell the website.  It was the first Ballreview's gathering that we had in Vegas.  

Scott told us all that he was trying to sell the site.  Leftside was there as well if I'm not mistaken, maybe not.

If Scott wanted to make some extra cash for his time put into the site, why not.  It wasn't mandatory.  You could still log on and post even if you weren't a Gold Member.

If Scott wanted to clean the site up before he sold the site, that makes perfect business sense.  I don't care what Scott does with his money, its not ours and for the purpose it ws paid, the services are still there just on another site.

Most of those compalining are those that did not pay the 25 dollars.  I invested more then 25 dollars in worse investments.  For the years that Scott ran the webiste, I got my 25 dollars worth out of the site and thats the bottom line.

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Re: The truth about ballreviews and Scott Scriver
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2003, 10:36:04 PM »
Scott's kids are in school.  Using the GM money to go on a cruise is said to make the point.

I think Scott should have submitted several post so that everyone had a chance to see that the site wsa being sold.  It would have been a more freindly takeover.  It does leave a bad taste in the mouth after the years we have been posting on BRs, but look at the years we have spent on the post under Scott's ownership.  It was a great couple of years for all of us.  A couple of ups and downs, but thats expected.  Can't make everyone happy all the time, but he worked hard at it and I say give hims his farewell and give him room to come back and say hello in the future.

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Re: The truth about ballreviews and Scott Scriver
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2003, 11:00:19 PM »
I was encouraged to come back.  I want to say something.  I still support ballreviews.  No matter who owns it it truly belongs to us the people who make it what it is and nobody can own that by themselves.  Leftside and others you are all correct.  People didn't legally get ripped off by the gold member thing.  The point was the misleading nature.  "I am just for the summer going to move the tournaments to VT".  Asking people to help with the site.  Many of us stepped up and offered to help. I did the gold member thing to help the site cause I enjoy it here and I wanted to help the people who gave me the ability.  I don't give a damn about the "virtual tournament" format.  It is not true competition really cause there is no standard for conditions.  The sour taste in my mouth is because there was deception involved.  If I deceive you will you not question my motives and things of that nature.  I thank Scott for everything he did.  He gave us a vehicle for US to make this a great site.  

To Dave I would be careful throwing amens around to posts using the lords name in vain.  Remember your posts to us in the past.

I mean nobody any harm honestly.  I just think that People need to open their eyes.  I honestly hope this will be for the best and ballreviews will be better than ever.  I wish you all well.  If your views of me change for the negative now I am sorry.  I have to call it like I see it.
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Re: The truth about ballreviews and Scott Scriver
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2003, 11:16:28 PM »
Hey Card, welcome back.

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Re: The truth about ballreviews and Scott Scriver
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2003, 11:39:56 PM »
I agree with Nicanor, and I am sure there were more people that knew (or at least if they were attentive, should have known) the site might be sold.  I also agree, that even if my GM did not transfer to the VT site, I got my 25.00 worth in advice.  Getting sound experienced advice - 10.00, getting a new arsenal of SAWS - expensive, making so many great new friends and experiencing having an impact on others - PRICELESS!!  I do not, nor will not ever regret the INVESTMENT, and I could care less if my money went to fund a trip for Scott and Angela or not; afterall, what Vivian and I have gained was worth far more than 25.00.  Remember the old adage; "Things ARE NOT always as the seem!"

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Re: The truth about ballreviews and Scott Scriver
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2003, 12:22:57 AM »

The layout's changed. Owner's changed. So what?
We're all still here.
We are the reason for this site's existence.
If the new owner is more bowling savvy, like Scott said, then the site can only be better than before.

As for the GM. It's money well spent as far as I'm concerned.

A good, clean, instructive site of my favourite. What more can I ask for.

I also take the opportunity to thank Scott and wife, wish them well, and keep in touch.

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Re: The truth about ballreviews and Scott Scriver
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2003, 12:49:52 AM »
Card79,

Amen simply means "So Be It", and is usually used to show agreement for something said or done, or an attest to somthing said or done (i.e. Can I get an Amen).  It is NOT taking the Lord's NAME in vain.  Believe me, I will NEVER forget those posts.

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Re: The truth about ballreviews and Scott Scriver
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2003, 02:40:06 AM »
Scott put a fair chunk of money and sweat into this site and maybe even a few tears of frustration along the way at some of the stuff he had to deal with. If he decided the site was more hassle than it was worth and even made a few bucks at the end to repay him for his time and effort, I don't begrudge him that. Of course, maybe it's easier for me to say since I never sent him $25 for a membership, but I have a reputation as a cheap bowler to maintain. ;-)

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However, I do think the new ownership is making a huge mistake by not coming forth in a forthright and highly visible fashion to share with us who they are, their vision for the future of ballreviews.com, etc.

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Re: The truth about ballreviews and Scott Scriver
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2003, 08:18:59 AM »
Dave Go read leftsides post you were amening.  That was my reference.
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Re: The truth about ballreviews and Scott Scriver
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2003, 09:25:04 AM »
79 Card,

I found it, and saw what you were referring to, and inspit of the name used, it was th overall content and context that I was supporting.  I had not noticed it the first time I read it.  While you are right, I would not condone using God's name in vain, I will say Amen to the message.  I will read the entirety of future posts so that I will not give anyone the misperception that I am supporting each and every "word".  Hope this clarifies the MISPERCEPTION.

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Re: The truth about ballreviews and Scott Scriver
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2003, 09:43:32 AM »
I was using it to make an example of where we have come from and gone too.  Honestly I am over it.  Nothing I can do for it.  People are what makes this not any webmaster in the word can create this diverse group of great minds.  I apologize if I insulted you or even Bryan.  The way things have been rubbing me the wrong way, but hey can't make everyone happy can you.
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Re: The truth about ballreviews and Scott Scriver
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2003, 09:59:46 AM »
Card 79,

I'm glad you came back.  I was worried you'd be another one of those Peach fellas that backed out of going to the Hounke without telling anyone. See you in Cincinnati.

And so far as Peach Fuzz and Scott, I told you about Pchee2 and living in San Fransico.  Pchee2 is just upset that Scott has a wonderful wife like Angela, don't know how, but he does.

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