https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5nhjZLF6nU

This is a great demonstration on the difference between the 2.  This is why I usually prefer the short pin layout.  It seems to give more continuation more consistently whereas the urethane seems to almost quit at times as the Squatch splits the 8-9 whereas the urethane has some deflection to it.  There are some slow motion shots and even overlay with both balls to really see the difference.

Quote from: TWOHAND834 on February 10, 2020, 07:07:08 AM

Quote from: ignitebowling on February 07, 2020, 08:20:17 PM

How does that 2" pin Squatch look on a 32-33' pattern?

I wouldnt a ball of that strength on a 32 foot pattern even if it was a short pin.  If I am going to use a short pin ball on a pattern that short then I am using something entry level like a Twist or Messenger and even then the pattern may be too short.  I am not saying there isnt a spot for urethane.  My question is this.  How often are you going to be on a 32 foot pattern?  Most of us are rarely going to bowl on patterns that short.

The point is where most "pros" use urethane are on short patterns with high friction down lane.  Low volume and shorter distance patterns urethane is a great option.  Reactive with short or really long pins are going to be far more reactive.  Watching people use urethane on most house conditions doesnt look good. 

I saw the pros do it on tv and my proshop guy recommended it for me on drier conditions.  Typically what we hear. 

As you mentioned since most don't bowl on those kinds of conditions most will never need urethane or likely have much success with it.  If your left handed its a different story

What do you mean by it being a different story for lefty’s?

Quote from: ignitebowling on February 10, 2020, 06:32:18 PM

Quote from: TWOHAND834 on February 10, 2020, 07:07:08 AM

Quote from: ignitebowling on February 07, 2020, 08:20:17 PM

How does that 2" pin Squatch look on a 32-33' pattern?

I wouldnt a ball of that strength on a 32 foot pattern even if it was a short pin.  If I am going to use a short pin ball on a pattern that short then I am using something entry level like a Twist or Messenger and even then the pattern may be too short.  I am not saying there isnt a spot for urethane.  My question is this.  How often are you going to be on a 32 foot pattern?  Most of us are rarely going to bowl on patterns that short.

The point is where most "pros" use urethane are on short patterns with high friction down lane.  Low volume and shorter distance patterns urethane is a great option.  Reactive with short or really long pins are going to be far more reactive.  Watching people use urethane on most house conditions doesnt look good. 

I saw the pros do it on tv and my proshop guy recommended it for me on drier conditions.  Typically what we hear. 

As you mentioned since most don't bowl on those kinds of conditions most will never need urethane or likely have much success with it.  If your left handed its a different story

What do you mean by it being a different story for lefty’s?

Lefty's see less transition so they do not have to get deep with urethane generally.  If they are high rev they can play the twig and go around the pattern ala Buttruff and still carry for an entire session.  Belmo (righty) on the other hand uses reactives much more often because he has to move in and still turn the corner and carry.

Count me down once again for short pin.  Scored a Rhino Pro purple (Brunswick's first reactive) off ebay for a good price.  Little irked seller lied about weight (closer to light 16# than 15 but wow does that ball hit.  Being super weak reactive along with low diff core (similar core as Faball Hammers AFAIK) super controllable even on the burn.  Think going to throw it at league this week even at the heavier weight.  Love my Slingshot and it hits well but man does it punish me on misses in.  Also scored an OG Cuda/C for $3 plus shipping might have to try as well if Rhino doesn't work out. 

Tried that Rhino Pro purple tonight and shot second best series of the season and broke me out of slump in big way.  Control of urethane and hit of reactive on light oil.  Brunswick did pretty good with their first reactive imo.

The Purple Rhino Pro has a surprising good backend on dry conditions today. I have one still. It is not snappy in a modern sense but it goes very long and covers boards on dry as long as you have a lot of hand and a lot of friction of course. I would not say "control of urethane" because it rolls NOTHING like urethane but it does allow a heavy-handed bowler to move into the friction and still get length and create backend reaction in a readable manner. No slighting intended BowlingForDounts; I just believe the Purple Rhino Pro just gives a FAR different look than urethane to be honest. My AMF Black Ninja has an identical look to the Purple Rhino Pro.Very long with a strong enough backend to shape on dry lanes.