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The value of a 300
« on: February 10, 2014, 10:28:05 AM »
I think everybody's had those games or nights where everything is just working right, and whether you start really thinking about it or not, by even the 4th or 5th frame you know you've got a good possibility of getting them all. Then there are other nights where you feel just as good or better, but it's just not happening at the pins. Revzilla said it best about the matchups. Sometimes 300's just fall in your lap, and other times you've got to do some serious work. Yes, mine are all on house shots, but there are a few I really feel like I earned, and a few I'm almost embarassed about, then the rest are just kind of in the middle.

At the same time, the seemingly universal value that the majority of bowlers have given the number 300 is what everyone has the problem with. I know plenty of people who are insanely cocky about it, and view 300 as a sign they've arrived, despite any big 4 cavings or brooklyns it took to get them there. Those are the people nobody likes, those are the attitudes that people take issue with, and I think they combat that by being overaggressive with the "the game is too easy," argument. Or in other words, they fight a blanket value of a 300 with a blanket statement of all house shots are too easy.

Somebody said nobody averages 300 so it's not too easy, which is a pretty extreme statement. Averaging "perfection" wouldn't happen no matter how easy a game was, but the game being too easy should only in part be reflected by scores. There's still an awful lot that has to go right to get a 300 no matter how good you throw it. There are tons of physics involved, and it all has to work inside the same 12 frames at the right time. How many 300s would everyone have if they counted 12 strikes in a row ANYWHERE as a 300? Practice games? I've had practice 300s that were more difficult to get than some of my sanctioned ones.

At the same time, I think LGD probably has the best attitude of anybody about it. You can't control anybody else, you can't change their mind, or how they think. You know what's of value and what's not, and things have a way of evening out. Some little cocky bastard can plop one in and go around running his mouth, but if he does nothing else but donate in leagues and tournaments, what good is it? There was a kid here that shot one in high school practice a couple weeks ago, and boy he sure was quick on the trigger telling people how many he had now, but did it help him at all in their meet the following day? Not a bit, had a pretty mediocre day.

All in all, I've got a pretty different attitude about it now. It still won't quell the frustration of certain comments like, "Well now I've got a 300, I can put my name right up there with a bunch of other people, and I don't even practice or have all the fancy balls or anything," and "I don't need coaching, I have 300's, I know what I'm doing," and especially everybody who thinks that having 300s gives them a license to start coaching themselves. I get frustrated with the problems that type of thinking causes because I have to deal with them quite often. But at the end of the day, you can't "fix" everybody, you can't solve every problem, and there will still be ignorant people out there. Just have to do your best to wade through all of it and keep it from dragging you down.
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Re: The value of a 300
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2014, 04:44:21 PM »
Actually at the professional level, golf had to make courses longer to maintain par around 72.

Before Augusta lengthened its course, Tiger set the record at 17 under PAR.

As golfers become stronger and clubs advancing technology allowed them to hit the ball farther than designers ever imagined, certain courses became obsolete.

Par 4's were reachable, etc...

The had a choice, either start thinking about changing the PAR score on certain holes thus making PAR 68 on courses that were previously 72, or make them harder by adding length to the holes.  Golf chose the lengthen the holes.

In bowling, with the new technology of bowling balls, and houses choosing to put out easier league conditions (which is the standard most bowlers are measured against), the choice was to raising "bowling par" from 200 to 215-220 or make the lanes tougher (length the course in golf).

Bowling chose to raise par - and many were upset since now the maximum score is easier to achieve and comparisons of bowlers between generations are very difficult.

That pretty much sums it up  :-)

That's too funny! Do you even play golf??? Most duffers at your local course feel they absolutely "killed" a shot when they hit it 250 yards, fairway or not.
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Re: The value of a 300
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2014, 12:06:20 AM »
Golf doesnt need to lengthen it's courses.... yes some have..   in Golf you can narrow the fairways, make the rough longer, greens faster and put the hole in crazy spots on the green..   and nobody thinks twice about it...  Most golfers love the challenge of the sport !!   Hence why golf has the separation between the hacks and the Pro's...

Obviously bowling could make Par 200 again but a lot of House Hacks would be extremely butthurt very fast...
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Re: The value of a 300
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2014, 07:12:07 AM »
I don't care what anyone says, bowling a 300 game is still awesome.  I bowled my first one in 1997 (with a urethane ball) during our Saturday morning youth league.  The entire place stopped to watch when I got into the 10th frame.  The thing I remember the most about it?  The chest bump I got from my buddy after #12 that nearly knocked me over, the free small french fry the snack bar gave me, and the little old lady behind the counter that was so excited because she had never seen a 300 game before.

It took me 13 years to get my 2nd sanctioned 300.  Do you think that game was special to me?  ABOSLUTELY!  Do you think I cared if people around me thought it was special?  Absolutely NOT!  Now I have 6 sanctioned 300 games.  Comapred to a lot of people, that's not many, but compared to a lot of people, that's a lot.  Each time I have a shot at it, it's not about what other people think, it's about proving to myself that I can over come the nerves and finish it out. 

Bowling is the most elitist sport I have EVER been a part of, to the point where it's almost not fun anymore.  I come on these boards and there is always somebody complaining about something.  So a kid shot a 300 game and he's not a terribly good/consistent bowler.  Who cares?  So he wants to brag it up a little bit.  Who cares?  Let him or her have their moment.  There is ALWAYS going to be someone bragging about their accomplishments, and there is always going to the guy that says, if it weren't for that darn 10 pin in frame 4 I would have shot a 300, not realizing how much different the pressure is when you actually get to the 10th frame, or heck even the 7th or 8th.

If you're truly a "super star" that nuts every single shot and feels they have the right to complain about everyone having a little bit of success, then use your skill and insight for something good.  Help the kid that just shot 300 by crossing over 11 times.  Give him pointers, show him some tricks.  Do something USEFUL!  You could always join the tour.  Those guys like to complain about "hacks" too.

Remember, the cream ALWAYS rises.  So little Timmy may have just shot 300, but it could be his only one, while you my friend, the super star thats nuts every single shot, never mis hits the ball on the bottom, and definitely only gets strikes by flushing the pocket and never on light hits or accidental tugs, will shoot many.

I understand that the game has changed, the conditions are softer and the balls are better and more forgiving, and yes it's easier to throw more strikes now than it was back in the early 1700's or whenever it is that people like to go back to when they say bowling was "harder", but 12 strikes in a game, is still 12 strikes in a game.


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Re: The value of a 300
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2014, 07:56:10 AM »
So a kid shot a 300 game and he's not a terribly good/consistent bowler.  Who cares?  So he wants to brag it up a little bit.  Who cares?  Let him or her have their moment.  If you're truly a "super star" that nuts every single shot and feels they have the right to complain about everyone having a little bit of success, then use your skill and insight for something good.  Help the kid that just shot 300 by crossing over 11 times.  Give him pointers, show him some tricks.  Do something USEFUL!  You could always join the tour. 

Ah yes, but the problem is that the majority of these people become uncoachable.  They shot 300, why do they need any help?  Now if they don't succeed more, it's always something else, the ball, the lanes, etc., because they shot 300 which means they're good.  They also think that licenses them to coach other people.  I don't mind the bragging, or the inflated egos, those are the guys all the scratch bowlers grin about, because those are the guys that are easy picking.  They aren't good enough to hang, but easy to goad into putting up money in a league or tournament, then it's really easy to get inside their head and pick them apart . . I just have a huge problem with the know it alls that make my job and so many others' jobs hard.  I get sick of seeing the bowling center and mechanic get yelled at because somebody didn't shoot 600 that night.  It's not Storm's fault, Vise's fault, or Dexter's fault either, but they'll get blamed for it.  Very few will admit they were actually at fault for not bowling well. 
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Re: The value of a 300
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2014, 08:32:56 AM »
I didn't start bowling until I was 21.  I think I had my first 300 when I was 31 and had a 2nd one later that season in the rolloff.  Since then I've had one roughly every other year.  I'm a house hack.  Always have been and always will be.  I don't have the time or the drive to be more than that.

Every 300 has been special to me for different reasons.  If I ever have another one, it will be special too.  The first one will always mean the most, but I don't do it often enough to take it for granted and I'm not good enough to know I'm going to have another one.  I think age/maturity has something to do with the reaction.  I think when you're younger, you feel like you'll be able to do it at will.  When you're older when you get the first one, I think you appreciate how difficult it was to get there.  Painting with a pretty broad brush there and I'm sure there are exceptions...

On a side note, I have never had a 291 - 299 game.  I don't think I've ever had 290 either.  I think most of that is luck, but I think growing up playing sports and being used to dealing with pressure has made the 10th frame easier for me than it might be for others.  I've never felt the nerves.  My first 300, the 11th ball hit a bit light and I got lucky.  Instead of getting nervous, I became more relaxed because I figured if that carried, it was just meant to be and had a perfect 12th.
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Re: The value of a 300
« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2014, 08:45:07 AM »
 "It's a bunch of bitter pissy people that aren't happy for one reason or another.  It's not even the scoring pace . . it's the lack of information and perspective and understanding."


YOU GIZMO are the biggest bitter pissy person on this site.....

You say they become 'uncoachable" are you KIDDING me...Ok Ok it may happen to strictly league players, but any good player is going to seek coaching (want coaching) even the best players in the world still receive coaching. 

I think you're stuck inside a bubble, now either you don't get out and see real tournament bowling (probably because you're too busy making videos that have been done by 100 other people) or you're just simply bored in life to make all of these posts that rip up people who ACTUALLY enjoy the game of bowling and still get excited about bowling a 300 or bowling their FIRST 300.

Ok Ok back the original topic....I've had (80) 300 games and I enjoy every single one of them, 300 is still perfectection (sure everyone gets a lucky break) but i've seen a hole in one that the ball rolled right up the flagstick and straight back down into the hole.  LUCK is just part of the game and 300 is just a number, I don't see why you get so bent over it.

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Re: The value of a 300
« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2014, 08:54:47 AM »
The genie ain't going back in the bottle, so just accept what the game has become.

We are in the age of easy strikes and internet experts.  When you're in the pro shop help those that wish to be helped and service the rest. 

If you are going to be a league bowler then accept that bad bowlers are going to shoot good scores.  If you want anything that still resembles integrity join the PBA while it still exists.  I have yet to see someone "luck" into a 300 in a PBA tournament. 

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Re: The value of a 300
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2014, 09:42:26 AM »
Of course I'm bitter and pissy, something I love is being run into the ground . . wouldn't you be bitter and pissy? 

Strictly league players . . which comprises about 95% of sanctioned bowling . . of course good players will ask for coaching and get coaching, they understand the need for it.  Rick Benoit recently moved to Saudi Arabia, but he used to have people here all the time for coaching, all the Brunswick pros, the Columbian national team, Kelly Kulick, Chris Barnes, etc.  But the house hack league bowler didn't need to hear all the "big fancy technical mumbo jumbo."  We had the single best coach on the PLANET living here, and all anybody tried to do was get free equipment out of him. 

I know about real tournament bowling . . it doesn't happen here, it doesn't happen anywhere within driving distance.  I'm too busy being involved with stuff anyway to bowl anything if I DID have the opportunity.  And I'm taking little trial videos with an iphone . . hurt me bad . .

You've got over 5 times as many 300s as I have, but I've repeated over and over again that I still enjoy getting them.  Just because I don't feel like they mean much in the grand scheme of things doesn't mean they still aren't a lot of fun.  Here it means getting a jacket or coat from the center, your name up on the honor score board, and your name in the paper.  If you shoot 800 the paper even calls and gets an interview to print.  I've got that 800 crystal trophy on the way and am pretty excited about it, it's one of the nicest awards they've handed out . . but it doesn't give me delusions of grandeur. 

And I really don't think you read the OP if you think I'm getting bent about it.  The scoring pace has caused a huge problem for the competitive side of the sport, I don't think there's any denying that.  Say what you want about what's causing the decline of league play, what's caused the decline of viewers of the PBA?  I didn't get to golf much last year, but I still like watching it on tv.  I subscribe to USBCs youtube channel, watch all their coverage of ANYTHING, and I never miss a PBA telecast. 

What you're basically saying is that it's completely ok to have house shots and big scores and an emphasis on recreational bowling, but that it's not ok for anybody to want competition or a greater challenge . .

"It's a bunch of bitter pissy people that aren't happy for one reason or another.  It's not even the scoring pace . . it's the lack of information and perspective and understanding."


YOU GIZMO are the biggest bitter pissy person on this site.....

You say they become 'uncoachable" are you KIDDING me...Ok Ok it may happen to strictly league players, but any good player is going to seek coaching (want coaching) even the best players in the world still receive coaching. 

I think you're stuck inside a bubble, now either you don't get out and see real tournament bowling (probably because you're too busy making videos that have been done by 100 other people) or you're just simply bored in life to make all of these posts that rip up people who ACTUALLY enjoy the game of bowling and still get excited about bowling a 300 or bowling their FIRST 300.

Ok Ok back the original topic....I've had (80) 300 games and I enjoy every single one of them, 300 is still perfectection (sure everyone gets a lucky break) but i've seen a hole in one that the ball rolled right up the flagstick and straight back down into the hole.  LUCK is just part of the game and 300 is just a number, I don't see why you get so bent over it.
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Re: The value of a 300
« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2014, 09:48:18 AM »
I would have to disagree on the statement about poor to average bowlers shooting a 300 are "un-coachable".  If anything I have seen just the polar opposite, especially from the guys in THS leagues.  What I have seen speaks more to the individuals who are very good, or "PBA" quality bowlers. 

I am in a couple of leagues this season where there are guys that average anywhere from 170 to 200.  They enjoy bowling, the fellowship of the team environment, and the competition.  They genuinely want to get better even if they have shot a 300 game, however the individuals that they have access to that are qualified to "coach" them to get better, don't genuinely want to be bothered unless you really happen to be very good friends with them.  Or, when they do get advice, it is usually a lot of high level talk such as "just concentrate on each shot", or "just take your time".  These guys would more than welcome critique on their approach, their release, their arm motion, etc., etc.  However, since they can't readily get that, they continue to do the best that they can and rely on others that may not be qualified coaches per-say,  but will help as best as they can.

I am fortunate enough where I bowl in a "sport-shot" league where I average about 187, and a THS league where I average 220.  I buy no means consider myself that good, and know that I lack fundamentals that could really take my overall game to a new level.  But I have personally faced rejection from some guys that I have approached and asked for pointers.  I know that people only have so much time in a day and can't cater to everybody.  But seriously, you can't take a couple minutes to to answer questions or critique me on shots you just saw me throw?  Especially if I am actually bowling against or next to you that night?  Normally, I have to rely on watching them closely, and taking mental notes on their game.  And then based upon that, try to practice and apply what I have noted.  Since the "sport" league I am in has some of the best bowlers in the region, with some of them being in the PBA, that knowledge has carried over to my THS league, thus causing me to average the 220.

However with all that being said, it is of my opinion that when guys who are poor to average bowler achieve a major accomplishment in bowling (300, 800, 11 in a row, etc), they want to do it again and again and again.  And they will welcome any help they can get so they can consistently do that.

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Re: The value of a 300
« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2014, 09:50:00 AM »
I've been bowling for 33 years (I'm only 37), and I still haven't shot one. Do I wish that I could hone my craft on harder conditions? Yes. Am I going to take my 300 if I shoot it on the soft condition? Yes. I've never once seen anyone give back pins because the condition was too easy. I still get shaky on the 8th or 9th one. 1 300 does not a good bowler make. They are still coachable and want to get better.

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Re: The value of a 300
« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2014, 09:53:26 AM »
Let me start by saying I love to watch people honor scores even if they are against me, with that being said Gizmo right in his last post about one thing. Some bowlers after they have one good game or series all an sudden they are all the PBA GREATS rolled up in one, I have friends who average 30 pins per game less than me have one good day start coaching me every frame. I shot more 300's and 800's than they ever will. I just learned to listen to them and go on about my business. Once again I repeat I love it when some one shoot an 300 or 800 even if it is their first or 50th because they are hard to come by.

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Re: The value of a 300
« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2014, 10:12:57 AM »
I'd never give back pins either, I'm not saying anyone should.  And I guess I just don't have the good fortune of being around many people that aren't pissed off about something or another . . but for those of you that are so good at digging up my past, you may remember how excited I was about EVERYTHING until people on this site start routinely running me into the ground . . so before you get too amped up calling me bitter and pissy, consider your own contribution
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Re: The value of a 300
« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2014, 10:24:23 AM »
Of course I'm bitter and pissy, something I love is being run into the ground . . wouldn't you be bitter and pissy? 

Strictly league players . . which comprises about 95% of sanctioned bowling . . of course good players will ask for coaching and get coaching, they understand the need for it.  Rick Benoit recently moved to Saudi Arabia, but he used to have people here all the time for coaching, all the Brunswick pros, the Columbian national team, Kelly Kulick, Chris Barnes, etc.  But the house hack league bowler didn't need to hear all the "big fancy technical mumbo jumbo."  We had the single best coach on the PLANET living here, and all anybody tried to do was get free equipment out of him. 

I know about real tournament bowling . . it doesn't happen here, it doesn't happen anywhere within driving distance.  I'm too busy being involved with stuff anyway to bowl anything if I DID have the opportunity.  And I'm taking little trial videos with an iphone . . hurt me bad . .

You've got over 5 times as many 300s as I have, but I've repeated over and over again that I still enjoy getting them.  Just because I don't feel like they mean much in the grand scheme of things doesn't mean they still aren't a lot of fun.  Here it means getting a jacket or coat from the center, your name up on the honor score board, and your name in the paper.  If you shoot 800 the paper even calls and gets an interview to print.  I've got that 800 crystal trophy on the way and am pretty excited about it, it's one of the nicest awards they've handed out . . but it doesn't give me delusions of grandeur. 

And I really don't think you read the OP if you think I'm getting bent about it.  The scoring pace has caused a huge problem for the competitive side of the sport, I don't think there's any denying that.  Say what you want about what's causing the decline of league play, what's caused the decline of viewers of the PBA?  I didn't get to golf much last year, but I still like watching it on tv.  I subscribe to USBCs youtube channel, watch all their coverage of ANYTHING, and I never miss a PBA telecast. 

What you're basically saying is that it's completely ok to have house shots and big scores and an emphasis on recreational bowling, but that it's not ok for anybody to want competition or a greater challenge . .

"It's a bunch of bitter pissy people that aren't happy for one reason or another.  It's not even the scoring pace . . it's the lack of information and perspective and understanding."


YOU GIZMO are the biggest bitter pissy person on this site.....

You say they become 'uncoachable" are you KIDDING me...Ok Ok it may happen to strictly league players, but any good player is going to seek coaching (want coaching) even the best players in the world still receive coaching. 

I think you're stuck inside a bubble, now either you don't get out and see real tournament bowling (probably because you're too busy making videos that have been done by 100 other people) or you're just simply bored in life to make all of these posts that rip up people who ACTUALLY enjoy the game of bowling and still get excited about bowling a 300 or bowling their FIRST 300.

Ok Ok back the original topic....I've had (80) 300 games and I enjoy every single one of them, 300 is still perfectection (sure everyone gets a lucky break) but i've seen a hole in one that the ball rolled right up the flagstick and straight back down into the hole.  LUCK is just part of the game and 300 is just a number, I don't see why you get so bent over it.

I'm not going to comment on your entire post but a few key points:

SCORING has ZERO to do with the decline in league bowling, I repeat ZERO.  The centers that work hard get results.  The whole dynamic of the world has changed in the last 20 years when bowling started to decline.  That has more to do with the decline than anything else.  Scoring is all relative.  Some times you have to average 250 to cash or win and sometimes 205 will cash.  The better players almost always rise to the top of the filed.

You also in one breathe say that 95% of the sanctioned bowlers are league bowlers right?  Well guees what?  League bowling is RECREATIONAL bowling with the exception of a few competetive leagues out there, but even then people bowl in leagues to recreate.  I never said it's not ok to strive for more competition.  I guess i'm lucky because I bowl in an area where there are tournaments all the time, alot of the time on harder conditions.

And BTW Gizmo, the reason people "run you into the ground" is because of the way you have presented your obvious hate of the game.  It all started way back when you could see a pin spot that was off by a quarter of an inch, then it was when customers would try to ask you questions about bowling balls and you couldn't concentrate on your own bowling.  God forbid these pions asking you questions while you're bowling, they should be beheaded in front of the entire center so people know not to do it again. 

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Re: The value of a 300
« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2014, 10:28:29 AM »
Well Gizmo I for one never taken any advice or comment from you as negative I learned that everyone has HIS or HER OWN WAY OF GETTING THEIR POINT ACROSS.

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Re: The value of a 300
« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2014, 10:55:21 AM »
Of course I'm bitter and pissy, something I love is being run into the ground . . wouldn't you be bitter and pissy? 

Strictly league players . . which comprises about 95% of sanctioned bowling . . of course good players will ask for coaching and get coaching, they understand the need for it.  Rick Benoit recently moved to Saudi Arabia, but he used to have people here all the time for coaching, all the Brunswick pros, the Columbian national team, Kelly Kulick, Chris Barnes, etc.  But the house hack league bowler didn't need to hear all the "big fancy technical mumbo jumbo."  We had the single best coach on the PLANET living here, and all anybody tried to do was get free equipment out of him. 

I know about real tournament bowling . . it doesn't happen here, it doesn't happen anywhere within driving distance.  I'm too busy being involved with stuff anyway to bowl anything if I DID have the opportunity.  And I'm taking little trial videos with an iphone . . hurt me bad . .

You've got over 5 times as many 300s as I have, but I've repeated over and over again that I still enjoy getting them.  Just because I don't feel like they mean much in the grand scheme of things doesn't mean they still aren't a lot of fun.  Here it means getting a jacket or coat from the center, your name up on the honor score board, and your name in the paper.  If you shoot 800 the paper even calls and gets an interview to print.  I've got that 800 crystal trophy on the way and am pretty excited about it, it's one of the nicest awards they've handed out . . but it doesn't give me delusions of grandeur. 

And I really don't think you read the OP if you think I'm getting bent about it.  The scoring pace has caused a huge problem for the competitive side of the sport, I don't think there's any denying that.  Say what you want about what's causing the decline of league play, what's caused the decline of viewers of the PBA?  I didn't get to golf much last year, but I still like watching it on tv.  I subscribe to USBCs youtube channel, watch all their coverage of ANYTHING, and I never miss a PBA telecast. 

What you're basically saying is that it's completely ok to have house shots and big scores and an emphasis on recreational bowling, but that it's not ok for anybody to want competition or a greater challenge . .

"It's a bunch of bitter pissy people that aren't happy for one reason or another.  It's not even the scoring pace . . it's the lack of information and perspective and understanding."


YOU GIZMO are the biggest bitter pissy person on this site.....

You say they become 'uncoachable" are you KIDDING me...Ok Ok it may happen to strictly league players, but any good player is going to seek coaching (want coaching) even the best players in the world still receive coaching. 

I think you're stuck inside a bubble, now either you don't get out and see real tournament bowling (probably because you're too busy making videos that have been done by 100 other people) or you're just simply bored in life to make all of these posts that rip up people who ACTUALLY enjoy the game of bowling and still get excited about bowling a 300 or bowling their FIRST 300.

Ok Ok back the original topic....I've had (80) 300 games and I enjoy every single one of them, 300 is still perfectection (sure everyone gets a lucky break) but i've seen a hole in one that the ball rolled right up the flagstick and straight back down into the hole.  LUCK is just part of the game and 300 is just a number, I don't see why you get so bent over it.

I'm not going to comment on your entire post but a few key points:

SCORING has ZERO to do with the decline in league bowling, I repeat ZERO.  The centers that work hard get results.  The whole dynamic of the world has changed in the last 20 years when bowling started to decline.  That has more to do with the decline than anything else.  Scoring is all relative.  Some times you have to average 250 to cash or win and sometimes 205 will cash.  The better players almost always rise to the top of the filed.

You also in one breathe say that 95% of the sanctioned bowlers are league bowlers right?  Well guees what?  League bowling is RECREATIONAL bowling with the exception of a few competetive leagues out there, but even then people bowl in leagues to recreate.  I never said it's not ok to strive for more competition.  I guess i'm lucky because I bowl in an area where there are tournaments all the time, alot of the time on harder conditions.

And BTW Gizmo, the reason people "run you into the ground" is because of the way you have presented your obvious hate of the game.  It all started way back when you could see a pin spot that was off by a quarter of an inch, then it was when customers would try to ask you questions about bowling balls and you couldn't concentrate on your own bowling.  God forbid these pions asking you questions while you're bowling, they should be beheaded in front of the entire center so people know not to do it again.

I'm such a sucker for a good argument . . I really ought to get that checked out.  Scoring has a lot to do with the decline in the game, not all, but more than you're allowing.  I know DOZENS of people who have quit because the scores got high.  To keep your scores high and compete, you have to spend more money and more time.  People have quit because they didn't want to spend the money on it, but it has become more expensive because of the scoring and technology increase.  If all you needed was a plastic ball, 15 bucks a week to bowl doesn't hurt anybody.  I also know plenty of people with the means who just don't see the point.  "I can average 230 with one ball and never practice, that's not any fun to me." 

And you are lucky to be in an area like that, good for you, I'm honestly very jealous.  The only tournaments like that I have available require overnight stays, and that just doesn't work out. 

Actually I'm talking about the WAY back when, like 2003 or something when I first started posting here.  I was only a few years into bowling and excited about EVERYTHING bowling.  Nearly everyone here ran me into the ground and made sure I knew just exactly how much everything I was exited about didn't matter.  I was a complete tool and a moron . . lol but that's beside the point. 

And I definitely don't hate the game . . if I did, I'd quit completely and you'd never see me on this site again.  I suppose I'm just mad that not everybody loves it as much as I do and puts me down for it.  Why shouldn't I expect the pins to be on spot?  Why shouldn't I be able to bowl in peace and just have a beer and some fun?  You wouldn't get bothered if your job called you in the middle of bowling and wanted to talk about work?  Be nice to be able to clock out for a few minutes sometime . . it's really nice to have all the customers that specifically want to deal with you, but I don't think it's too much to ask to want to just relax a couple nights a week, that's all it amounts to.  You're going pretty far out of your way to magnify this stuff. 
What would you be if you were attached to another object by an inclined plane, wrapped helically around an axis?