Author Topic: There is NO Such Thing As A Heavy Oil Bowling Ball (Read 27582 times)

Necromancer · « **on:** March 25, 2007, 11:30:03 AM »

I came to this conclusion today as I saw yet another tournament filled with high performance balls just skid straight to the head pins by 200 + average bowlers. What I really liked about this tournament is that Ebonite supposedly sponsored it and was giving Total NV balls to entrants that paid the extra fee. What was funnier was watching these NV's nail the 3 pin shot after shot. It really put a smile on my face to see what some call "The Greatest Bowling Ball Ever" look like garbage. Some bowlers were even willing to trash their new NV's after the tournament. So hilarious!

Back to the point. I don't think any manufacturer should be able to say their ball performs on heavy oil. In the end, no ball hooks in heavy oil and I don't care if you throw it 10 mph or put 600 rpms on the ball. It will just go straight. When you are in tournament conditions where the walls are flooded and the oil is spread past 50 feet, give me a break. The best ball is a straight ball to the pocket. Hooking is impossible.

Bottom line: No HEAVY OIL bowling ball exists.

Discuss!

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Hammer Black Widow
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Storm Recharge
Ebonite Vortex Afterburner
Columbia 300 Messenger Ti
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Total Season Average: 205.642
2007 Year Average: 212.861
2007 Tournament Average: 161.167
The Vertigo is the best ball Storm ever made. Find one if you can.
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shipper50 · « **Reply #31 on:** March 25, 2007, 09:44:14 PM »

Buy a Mammoth and drill to start early and point it and let it roll. They are cheap, like under $100 or less. This from a guy who had trouble getting the ball to the hole on oil and did OK with it out of box.(775)

Shipper

mainzer · « **Reply #32 on:** March 25, 2007, 10:18:46 PM »

The best the thing storm would have for heavy would Double or Special Agents but I don't know what one would work best. Hope this helps.
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NateNice · « **Reply #33 on:** March 25, 2007, 10:47:17 PM »

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Well, lets see. As far as I know there is NOT a bigger ball ho than me (other than Bracket Creep, Lucky Lefty and Fbila35)

I've had just about every high load, medium load and light load particle ball there is. I've also had just about every solid reactive there is, including the Fury. I've even owned a GRIZZ ()

People, I'm telling you. Nothing will out hook a EPX A1 or T1. N O T H I N G.

Properly drilled (as per the drill instructions)the ball will hook on ice. Not properly drilled, it's giant turd..

I just wish I had a video camera so I could do a side by side and compare it to the rest of the so-called hook monsters..

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Edited on 3/25/2007 10:38 PM

Except for the fact they smell bad and crack.

There's a reason that ball killed Columbia.

Roto-Mat · « **Reply #34 on:** March 25, 2007, 10:48:52 PM »

You may want to look into an Epic Battle. A really quick rolling core with a great solid particle cover.
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UCFKnight300 · « **Reply #35 on:** March 25, 2007, 11:02:20 PM »

Does anyone else see a problem with this topic besides myself?

I haven't posted on here in quite a while, just been busy with life and trying to get a career started. But, with a lot of topics in todays bowling world revolving about how much balls hook and how it has destroyed the game, this topic just brings it to the forefront.

Mr. Necromancer, it sounds to me as you are complaining that no ball will hook enough on this "flood" that you have bowled on, and you are now looking to purchase a new ball to tackle this. Do you expect a new ball to make your scores go up 100 sticks a set so you can get a check?

Throwing a sanded particle ball on any condition might help you control the lane a little better, but it also has downsides that will hurt your score. When you do get to the pocket, from your comfortable part of the lane, your ball will hit like doo. It might be a flood and you might not think it will be able to burn that much energy, but it will and you will flat 10 all day, and then 8/10's are out there as well.

There is much more to becoming a better bowler, which will translate into higher scores, than buying the most hooking ball alive. Until people really feel like becoming better bowlers, this problem seems like it will continue to grow. There are so many physical adjustments that can be made to help a ball roll on anything that people don't seem to want to have to learn to get better. Versatility is the biggest tool in bowling and thinking that a new "hook monster" might be more important is ridiculous to me.

Now I am not one to shy away from a new nugget, but I work more on my game physically than I do with trying every ball I can to find the reaction I think i'll need.

If I have offended anyone on here, I am sorry that this post came at your expense, but it triggered alot of thinking that I have had about alot of things on this site and the sport of bowling in general. Questions and comments are welcomed and I feel comfortable with someone disagreeing with me and wanting to explain why I am wrong.

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Edited on 3/25/2007 11:02 PM

mainzer · « **Reply #36 on:** March 25, 2007, 11:07:42 PM »

Nate Nice it is because of people like you that Columbia is out of buisness you are not in full possesion of the facts! and you have evidently never throwen and EPXt1 they are incredible, hooking power unmatched in the Sport of Bowling. Now to the facts: 1: The early batches cracked just like Ebonite One, and Storms Paradigm and Passion. Why do you single out Columbia for Ridicule on the cracking issue when two other companies gear were doing the same thing?
Fact 2: The ball dies because people like YOU do not know how to clean it properly, it must put in hot water every 20-30 games or the ball will lose reaction, also Brunswick's Rejuvinator is also a very good tool for cleaning an EPX they will bleed like a pig when these methods are used. The ONE line from Ebonite is dying faster than EPX's were once again why are you ridiculing Columbia why not Ebonite?

Now you have the facts If you want a ball that works in the juice and I do mean any volume of heavy oil you need to look no further than Columbia300 and the EPXt1!!

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Mainzerpower

Necromancer · « **Reply #37 on:** March 25, 2007, 11:24:14 PM »

quote:
Does anyone else see a problem with this topic besides myself?

I haven't posted on here in quite a while, just been busy with life and trying to get a career started. But, with a lot of topics in todays bowling world revolving about how much balls hook and how it has destroyed the game, this topic just brings it to the forefront.

Mr. Necromancer, it sounds to me as you are complaining that no ball will hook enough on this "flood" that you have bowled on, and you are now looking to purchase a new ball to tackle this. Do you expect a new ball to make your scores go up 100 sticks a set so you can get a check?

Throwing a sanded particle ball on any condition might help you control the lane a little better, but it also has downsides that will hurt your score. When you do get to the pocket, from your comfortable part of the lane, your ball will hit like doo. It might be a flood and you might not think it will be able to burn that much energy, but it will and you will flat 10 all day, and then 8/10's are out there as well.

There is much more to becoming a better bowler, which will translate into higher scores, than buying the most hooking ball alive. Until people really feel like becoming better bowlers, this problem seems like it will continue to grow. There are so many physical adjustments that can be made to help a ball roll on anything that people don't seem to want to have to learn to get better. Versatility is the biggest tool in bowling and thinking that a new "hook monster" might be more important is ridiculous to me.

Now I am not one to shy away from a new nugget, but I work more on my game physically than I do with trying every ball I can to find the reaction I think i'll need.

If I have offended anyone on here, I am sorry that this post came at your expense, but it triggered alot of thinking that I have had about alot of things on this site and the sport of bowling in general. Questions and comments are welcomed and I feel comfortable with someone disagreeing with me and wanting to explain why I am wrong.

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-Larsen
http://members.bowl.com/FindAMember/memberView.aspx?ms=379&mp=5548&s=2005-2006

Edited on 3/25/2007 11:02 PM

In a way you are right, but I think you don't understand my question. I was looking for a ball (if there is one) that actually will hook on a flood. I play on PBA tournament conditions and up to 50 feet plus of heavy oil (not the heavy so many manufacturer's claim to be heavy, but heavy in that no one either slow ball speeds or monster rev's can hook more than a few boards at most). These particle balls are primarily for these conditions I have learned. Because they are, doesn't mean they are the biggest hooking balls on THS condition or with lighter patterns. I am not looking for the biggest hooking ball but one that will react to a truly gutter to gutter 50 feet of flood. I am not looking to stand on the left gutter and hook out to the right, but to get a ball where it will just react and actually move (unlike all these reactives that don't do anything but go straight on these conditions by some of the best bowlers in the area). That is all.

EDIT: Also the reason why my topic suggested I don't think there is a ball that will move on a truly flooded shot. I will try one of the particle or epoxy balls as suggested.

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Current Arsenal
Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Storm Trauma ER
Storm Recharge
Ebonite Vortex Afterburner
Columbia 300 Messenger Ti
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Total Season Average: 205.642
2007 Year Average: 212.861
2007 Tournament Average: 161.167
The Vertigo is the best ball Storm ever made. Find one if you can.
I might have the strongest drilled Black Widow in history.

Edited on 3/25/2007 11:25 PM

NateNice · « **Reply #38 on:** March 25, 2007, 11:32:07 PM »

quote:
Nate Nice it is because of people like you that Columbia is out of buisness you are not in full possesion of the facts! and you have evidently never throwen and EPXt1 they are incredible, hooking power unmatched in the Sport of Bowling. Now to the facts: 1: The early batches cracked just like Ebonite One, and Storms Paradigm and Passion. Why do you single out Columbia for Ridicule on the cracking issue when two other companies gear were doing the same thing?
Fact 2: The ball dies because people like YOU do not know how to clean it properly, it must put in hot water every 20-30 games or the ball will lose reaction, also Brunswick's Rejuvinator is also a very good tool for cleaning an EPX they will bleed like a pig when these methods are used. The ONE line from Ebonite is dying faster than EPX's were once again why are you ridiculing Columbia why not Ebonite?

Now you have the facts If you want a ball that works in the juice and I do mean any volume of heavy oil you need to look no further than Columbia300 and the EPXt1!!

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Mainzerpower

Just reporting what I've heard. Word of mouth is a powerful tool.

I generally stick to Brunswick equipment. They haven't let me down and their equipment matches up with me very well. I do have a Columbia Scout I use for spares and very dry lanes. It's a good ball.

I've just heard from a lot of people that have used that ball that it was mainly a turd. If it hit anything that was resembling dryness, it burned up and rolled out on the spot. And as you pointed out, it required tons of maintenance.

If it works for you, more power to you. I believe it's apparent this ball didn't work for a lot of people.

Necromancer · « **Reply #39 on:** March 25, 2007, 11:36:49 PM »

quote:
quote:
Nate Nice it is because of people like you that Columbia is out of buisness you are not in full possesion of the facts! and you have evidently never throwen and EPXt1 they are incredible, hooking power unmatched in the Sport of Bowling. Now to the facts: 1: The early batches cracked just like Ebonite One, and Storms Paradigm and Passion. Why do you single out Columbia for Ridicule on the cracking issue when two other companies gear were doing the same thing?
Fact 2: The ball dies because people like YOU do not know how to clean it properly, it must put in hot water every 20-30 games or the ball will lose reaction, also Brunswick's Rejuvinator is also a very good tool for cleaning an EPX they will bleed like a pig when these methods are used. The ONE line from Ebonite is dying faster than EPX's were once again why are you ridiculing Columbia why not Ebonite?

Now you have the facts If you want a ball that works in the juice and I do mean any volume of heavy oil you need to look no further than Columbia300 and the EPXt1!!

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Mainzerpower

Just reporting what I've heard. Word of mouth is a powerful tool.

I generally stick to Brunswick equipment. They haven't let me down and their equipment matches up with me very well. I do have a Columbia Scout I use for spares and very dry lanes. It's a good ball.

I've just heard from a lot of people that have used that ball that it was mainly a turd. If it hit anything that was resembling dryness, it burned up and rolled out on the spot. And as you pointed out, it required tons of maintenance.

If it works for you, more power to you. I believe it's apparent this ball didn't work for a lot of people.

What do you suggest for flood conditions then? Does the BVP Mammoth really work on a flood?
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Current Arsenal
Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Storm Trauma ER
Storm Recharge
Ebonite Vortex Afterburner
Columbia 300 Messenger Ti
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Total Season Average: 205.642
2007 Year Average: 212.861
2007 Tournament Average: 161.167
The Vertigo is the best ball Storm ever made. Find one if you can.
I might have the strongest drilled Black Widow in history.

UCFKnight300 · « **Reply #40 on:** March 25, 2007, 11:37:16 PM »

Why does there have to be a ball that will hook on 50 ft?

Also, I can gauruntee these balls do hook a bit, the current ones you and your fellow bowlers are using. When going left to right with the ball, it is more than likely not going dead straight for the entire length of the lane. Any movement away from its direct straight line of release is considered hooking, although it may seem to most that it is just getting back to being straight.

Playing straight through the front part of the lane will allow you to see your ball hook plenty.
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Edited on 3/25/2007 11:38 PM

Edited on 3/25/2007 11:40 PM

NateNice · « **Reply #41 on:** March 25, 2007, 11:37:59 PM »

quote:

In a way you are right, but I think you don't understand my question. I was looking for a ball (if there is one) that actually will hook on a flood. I play on PBA tournament conditions and up to 50 feet plus of heavy oil (not the heavy so many manufacturer's claim to be heavy, but heavy in that no one either slow ball speeds or monster rev's can hook more than a few boards at most).

50' of oil? That's insanely long. I've never seen a shot that long. Must be rough. Is that like a 45' shot with some carry down or are they really oiling 50'? I'm all for a challenging shot (I never complain about the lanes), but 50' is simply unfair.

There is such a thing. In golf for instance, you could put the pin anywhere you want on the green, but you don't because certain placements are considered unfair. In bowling, a 50' shot, to me, is unfair.

I'd whip out my urethane and play a pointed shot, up and in.

Maybe play really, really deep and throw left of the center arrow with a breakpoint of 17 or so? Just play really inside...

I think the limit should be 45'. Maybe I'm a baby.

UCFKnight300 · « **Reply #42 on:** March 25, 2007, 11:40:17 PM »

watch the PBA next week if you've never seen 50 ft. although they will have burnt a nice spot in the lane and scores will more than likely be very high.

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NateNice · « **Reply #43 on:** March 25, 2007, 11:40:23 PM »

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quote:
quote:
Nate Nice it is because of people like you that Columbia is out of buisness you are not in full possesion of the facts! and you have evidently never throwen and EPXt1 they are incredible, hooking power unmatched in the Sport of Bowling. Now to the facts: 1: The early batches cracked just like Ebonite One, and Storms Paradigm and Passion. Why do you single out Columbia for Ridicule on the cracking issue when two other companies gear were doing the same thing?
Fact 2: The ball dies because people like YOU do not know how to clean it properly, it must put in hot water every 20-30 games or the ball will lose reaction, also Brunswick's Rejuvinator is also a very good tool for cleaning an EPX they will bleed like a pig when these methods are used. The ONE line from Ebonite is dying faster than EPX's were once again why are you ridiculing Columbia why not Ebonite?

Now you have the facts If you want a ball that works in the juice and I do mean any volume of heavy oil you need to look no further than Columbia300 and the EPXt1!!

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Mainzerpower

Just reporting what I've heard. Word of mouth is a powerful tool.

I generally stick to Brunswick equipment. They haven't let me down and their equipment matches up with me very well. I do have a Columbia Scout I use for spares and very dry lanes. It's a good ball.

I've just heard from a lot of people that have used that ball that it was mainly a turd. If it hit anything that was resembling dryness, it burned up and rolled out on the spot. And as you pointed out, it required tons of maintenance.

If it works for you, more power to you. I believe it's apparent this ball didn't work for a lot of people.

What do you suggest for flood conditions then? Does the BVP Mammoth really work on a flood?
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Current Arsenal
Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Storm Trauma ER
Storm Recharge
Ebonite Vortex Afterburner
Columbia 300 Messenger Ti
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Total Season Average: 205.642
2007 Year Average: 212.861
2007 Tournament Average: 161.167
The Vertigo is the best ball Storm ever made. Find one if you can.
I might have the strongest drilled Black Widow in history.

Stop trying to hook the ball. You just can't on a 50' shot. It's hard enough on a 45' block. 50' is impossible unless you have insane revs and can even over power that kind of lane.

Play a urethane ball up and in, real nice. Take the oil out of the equation. Use it to your advantage really as missed shots with this type of ball are going to skid for you real nice.

Hell, play your favorite reactive ball up and in.

NateNice · « **Reply #44 on:** March 25, 2007, 11:42:20 PM »

quote:
watch the PBA next week if you've never seen 50 ft. although they will have burnt a nice spot in the lane and scores will more than likely be very high.

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Looking forward to it then! That's crazy. I've really never heard of putting out a 50' shot. I know the PBA patterns only go up to 45', I believe.

10' of backend is rough.

It really gives an advantage to ultra high rev players. I expect the crankers to win, if they can stay accurate as they're the only ones getting any kind of angle.

Necromancer · « **Reply #45 on:** March 25, 2007, 11:42:28 PM »

It is insanely long. That is why the top score is around 220 for the whole tournament. Bowling a 600 will have you in the cash bracket. With over 300 bowlers at the tournament and 200's rare, I know it is very hard. It was a Reverse Block pattern with very little room for error. It is just a very challenging tournament, wouldn't say unfair since everyone suffered. It benefits those that play a more direct shot regularly in their leagues. Bowling a 650 or so was what was required to make it to the top 32 finals. The prize fund was pretty nice too. $50 x 300+ bowlers = $15,000+

quote:
quote:

In a way you are right, but I think you don't understand my question. I was looking for a ball (if there is one) that actually will hook on a flood. I play on PBA tournament conditions and up to 50 feet plus of heavy oil (not the heavy so many manufacturer's claim to be heavy, but heavy in that no one either slow ball speeds or monster rev's can hook more than a few boards at most).

50' of oil? That's insanely long. I've never seen a shot that long. Must be rough. Is that like a 45' shot with some carry down or are they really oiling 50'? I'm all for a challenging shot (I never complain about the lanes), but 50' is simply unfair.

There is such a thing. In golf for instance, you could put the pin anywhere you want on the green, but you don't because certain placements are considered unfair. In bowling, a 50' shot, to me, is unfair.

I'd whip out my urethane and play a pointed shot, up and in.

Maybe play really, really deep and throw left of the center arrow with a breakpoint of 17 or so? Just play really inside...

I think the limit should be 45'. Maybe I'm a baby.

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Current Arsenal
Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Storm Trauma ER
Storm Recharge
Ebonite Vortex Afterburner
Columbia 300 Messenger Ti
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Total Season Average: 205.642
2007 Year Average: 212.861
2007 Tournament Average: 161.167
The Vertigo is the best ball Storm ever made. Find one if you can.
I might have the strongest drilled Black Widow in history.

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