Author Topic: There is NO Such Thing As A Heavy Oil Bowling Ball (Read 27579 times)

Necromancer · « **on:** March 25, 2007, 11:30:03 AM »

I came to this conclusion today as I saw yet another tournament filled with high performance balls just skid straight to the head pins by 200 + average bowlers. What I really liked about this tournament is that Ebonite supposedly sponsored it and was giving Total NV balls to entrants that paid the extra fee. What was funnier was watching these NV's nail the 3 pin shot after shot. It really put a smile on my face to see what some call "The Greatest Bowling Ball Ever" look like garbage. Some bowlers were even willing to trash their new NV's after the tournament. So hilarious!

Back to the point. I don't think any manufacturer should be able to say their ball performs on heavy oil. In the end, no ball hooks in heavy oil and I don't care if you throw it 10 mph or put 600 rpms on the ball. It will just go straight. When you are in tournament conditions where the walls are flooded and the oil is spread past 50 feet, give me a break. The best ball is a straight ball to the pocket. Hooking is impossible.

Bottom line: No HEAVY OIL bowling ball exists.

Discuss!

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2007 Year Average: 212.861
2007 Tournament Average: 161.167
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Fluff E Bunnie · « **Reply #76 on:** March 26, 2007, 01:51:34 PM »

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a few months ago i has several young bowlers in waiting to get there balls drilled. we had espn classic bowling on tv, { no womens golf that morning }

dick weber was bowling. straight as an arrow. these young guns could not stop laughing. plus they had no idea who he was.

now do you really think that todays young guns if and when they actually do hit oil, are go to slow it down and point it???

i don't think so!!!

actually had to flip the channel to a soap, just to get them to stop laughing.

Hey that's fine with me... I bet a lot of people enjoy taking their money if they actually enter tournaments. Hopefully the young guns never change because I would like to take some of their money in the future.

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Necromancer · « **Reply #77 on:** March 26, 2007, 02:07:48 PM »

4 times? That is over $200 entry. Might as well bowl in a Regional if you are going to waste that much money. You're right about handicap. The top bowler's league average was 165. He decided to bowl 200+ for 2 games including a 220. Not complaining at all though. If I made it to the finals, that meant I was on top of my game and could match up well with anyone of any average.

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by the way, my 585 is with NO handicap. it was 617 to cash in the top 64 and 637 to make it to the top 32 WITH handicap. The finals mostly consisted of bowlers who had really high handicap. also i only bowled one time, most of the people that made the finals bowled 2-4 times i heard.

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Edited on 3/26/2007 1:42 PM

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Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Storm Trauma ER
Storm Recharge
Ebonite Vortex Afterburner
Columbia 300 Messenger Ti
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Total Season Average: 205.642
2007 Year Average: 212.861
2007 Tournament Average: 161.167
The Vertigo is the best ball Storm ever made. Find one if you can.
I might have the strongest drilled Black Widow in history.

toomanytenpins · « **Reply #78 on:** March 26, 2007, 04:58:45 PM »

wmb what a joke

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toomanytenpins · « **Reply #79 on:** March 26, 2007, 04:59:26 PM »

wmb; wheres my bend
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #80 on:** March 26, 2007, 05:11:14 PM »

I believe it depends on shot.

Heavy oil but dry sides...the great low rg heavy load particles today and a few years ago are GREAT for that!

Reaction Roll, ARC, Scorcher, Pro Zone Azure, BVP Mammoth, Mayhem. Awesome. One can get feet in oil...aim out to dry and kill!

BUT for flat heavy oil...the solution I believe is method and selecting the right backend!

Method...ball down low...crowd the approach, walk slowly, look at the dots, point(crowd your mark with your feet).

I've used everything from a Pro Zone Azure to a shiny pearl Battle Zone bullet and had a lot of very good sets on the "Soup" of the day! Demolition Zones, Pro Zone Violet, BZ Bullets and Track Spells...have killed for me.

OFTEN Higher RG balls like the spell allow me to not have to belly the ball away from the pocket and encourage pointing! SWEET!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Eddie M · « **Reply #81 on:** March 26, 2007, 06:03:07 PM »

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You've never thrown the Yellow Angle

Yellow angle would skid 60 feet on todays surfaces

Give it a try, before you knock it. I have a Yellow Angle, and used it for a long time. And I guarantee it will work better in extreme oil conditions, than most modern equipment. At least if you have a clue how to throw it in those conditions.

Necromancer · « **Reply #82 on:** March 26, 2007, 06:34:21 PM »

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wmb; wheres my bend
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Are you guys saying the ball sucks? I never had Morich equipment before so I am not supporting or against it. What is wrong with this ball now? First the EPX now the WMB? Is there not a particle ball that isn't crap?

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Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Storm Trauma ER
Storm Recharge
Ebonite Vortex Afterburner
Columbia 300 Messenger Ti
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Total Season Average: 205.642
2007 Year Average: 212.861
2007 Tournament Average: 161.167
The Vertigo is the best ball Storm ever made. Find one if you can.
I might have the strongest drilled Black Widow in history.

BrianCRX90 · « **Reply #83 on:** March 26, 2007, 11:42:48 PM »

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Well resin balls were never really meant to be true heavy oil balls, without having at least some sort of backend to recover on.

Old school urethane balls like the Blue Hammer or Stringray will work better on those lane conditions than a resin ball will.

Oh bull. I'd like to see you score on a flat 38 foot shot on today's oil with a urethane. Good luck to that. Most reactives will outhook any urethane hands down no matter the condition.

NateNice · « **Reply #84 on:** March 27, 2007, 12:03:55 AM »

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Well resin balls were never really meant to be true heavy oil balls, without having at least some sort of backend to recover on.

Old school urethane balls like the Blue Hammer or Stringray will work better on those lane conditions than a resin ball will.

Oh bull. I'd like to see you score on a flat 38 foot shot on today's oil with a urethane. Good luck to that. Most reactives will outhook any urethane hands down no matter the condition.

A 38' shot leaves plenty of back end. A reactive should do fine on a 38' block.

I'd agree though that on a long shot with little back end, I'd play an inside shot with a breakpoint around 15 or so. Let the ball skid all the way to 45' or so and start to make a move around 52' and be able to come back 4 boards or so to smash the pocket.

Either that or I'd use a urethane ball and play outside and point it. Urethane is a lot smoother and more mild so it's easy to play a predictable shot this way.

Either approach will work, whatever is more comfortable.

Eddie M · « **Reply #85 on:** March 27, 2007, 05:52:01 AM »

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Well resin balls were never really meant to be true heavy oil balls, without having at least some sort of backend to recover on.

Old school urethane balls like the Blue Hammer or Stringray will work better on those lane conditions than a resin ball will.

Oh bull. I'd like to see you score on a flat 38 foot shot on today's oil with a urethane. Good luck to that. Most reactives will outhook any urethane hands down no matter the condition.

I never said a Urethane would outhook a modern resin ball on a 38' shot. But could I score with a Stingray or Blue Hammer on that shot? You better believe it. Will my ball look as impressive going down the lane? No. But if you believe it just won't work, you are kidding yourself.

I am sure everyone here agrees that a reactive ball needs some sort of backend, or it just isn't going to hook. I mean, that is the entire purpose of resin equipment. Resin covers were designed specifically to take advantage of the 15-25 feet of dry at the end of the lane. Why exactly do you think resin balls create so much angle in the last 10 feet of the lane? Dry boards. Now... take those dry boards away, and you have yourself a spare ball.

Now, if you have ever seen a heavy oil Urethane ball roll, you would notice it arches evenly the entire length of lane. The dry boards play a much smaller roll in the hook potential. Take those dry boards away, and you still have a ball capable of gaining some angle to the pocket even on extreme lengths of oil. While with a resin ball on the same shot, the only way you will ever create angle, is by lofting the gutter, and throwing it straight at the headpin.

Eddie M · « **Reply #86 on:** March 27, 2007, 06:02:20 AM »

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UNLESS you slowed the ball way down and angled off the corner.

And how else would you play a lane condition as described above? Stand left, throw right? No ball will work that way in the described conditions. A Yellow Angle will indeed create that little bit of angle you need to carry. Throwing the exact line with a resin ball in those conditions, will get you no backend or angle to the pocket at all.

Now I am not trying to say Urethane balls are better than resin balls, but to argue a resin ball is gonna move at all on that condition is pointless. You know, I know, those people over there know, that resin balls aren't designed for that. On super long oil, Urethane is going to win in a battle of Resin vs Urethane. However a particle ball would be a better choice.

sheppy335 · « **Reply #87 on:** March 27, 2007, 07:27:39 AM »

I think there are balls made for oil. I also think that the heavier the volume the more direct you need to go to the pocket, atleast i do. I know there is people out there that have the hand to power it through but i dont. For me if it is to heavy i try to go straighter.
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #88 on:** March 27, 2007, 09:10:16 AM »

WMB....comments above.

THIS is NOT a heavy oil ball. Most people who used it for that were disappointed.

THE Mayhem was better for that than the WMB.

BUT what the WMB was great for...and I mean really great was controlling a harsh wet dry shot. ALSO for some reason....it carried GREAT! I have seen this ball kill all over our area when used right! FOR harsh side to side wet/dry.

REgards,

Luckylefty
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MrLS6chevelle · « **Reply #89 on:** April 13, 2007, 09:06:07 PM »

First of all, the BOLT is the best Storm ball ever made. I won the Indiana State Tournament in 2002 with one, with an 802 series scratch.

Second , I believe you may be right. When I go to the USBC national tourn. I have NO problems at all skidding the ball into the 3 pin. When the ball comes back it is covered in oil rings, flared about 7 inches. This ball normally hooks about 15 boards on THS. I am going to try a different drilling this year to get some reaction on the back ends.

« **Reply #90 on:** April 13, 2007, 09:14:14 PM »

I agree that NO BALL hooks in oil. There's no friction, thus no hook. However, there are balls that RECOVER MORE QUICKLY from the oil and they are usually particle balls. That is what they do, create friction sooner.

In the past year or two there have been some very strong reactive covers developed also, which have been quite effective in combating slick surfaces if their cover is maintained properly.

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