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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: abrown on November 23, 2013, 11:03:10 PM
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first off read before commenting, recently ive noticed more and more things that bug me a lil. how many of you tend to agree.
1 im tired of seeing bowlers show up for league with a 6 ball bag with all high end heavy oil balls drillled ball out and then complain when the shot breaks down and the lanes hook too much.
2 tired of people doing very little reserch about bowing balls and seeing the numbers and basing a ball choice off that without knowing what the numbers actually mean or how they affect ball reaction.
3 cant stand to see HS practices with coaches settng reading a book not giving any effort to teach bowlers the fundamentals or the pure basics of the game.
4 i see way to many people being screwed on new balls with bad drillings, where the driller just punches a ball up without watching the style, rev rate. or knowing bowlers PAP, and not paying close attention to spans and pitches, even drilling it to the way they wanted not the bowler.
5 whats your?
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Bowlers in general.
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how the game is so damn inconsistent...like in how in 1 frame everything that was working for you just stops and you have no clue why...and can't figure it out
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The 10 pin bugs me. I'm pretty good at converting it because there are nights when I leave it a bunch. ;)
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Customers that come into the pro shop and you have to spend 20 minutes explaining to them that what their "friend that averages 200" told them is wrong.
The guy that came into my pro shop and debated with me that the guys he bowled league with were so good at that center that Chris Barnes would have no chance against them there.
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Things that bug me:
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By far, the worst is that the vast majority of the industry has failed to go after the enormous economic potential of retiring baby boomers.
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After identifying flaws in the way a league is managed, and having realistic suggestions as to making improvements, being told "But we've never done it that way, so why change?", then watching bowlers either go somewhere else or loose interest altogether.
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Seeing what few new bowler's there are getting "old school" advice that simply no longer applies.
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The perpetuation of falsehoods such as there being a typical house shot and that the standard method of calculating handicaps enhance competitive leagues.
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The USBC's inability (refusal?) to Think Outside the Box and perpetual attitude to leave things as they are — which can generally be described as continually declining.
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This is a much harder thread to reply to than it seems at first.
There are SO many things that bother me about bowling, but I also understand that I am one of those people who dives into everything full force, and I don't tend to understand those who do not.
I guess I will just stick to the one subject that bothers me the most, the fact that the governing body has allowed technological advances to change the sport so drastically from what it was, into what it is now.
Bowling has changed so much in the last 20-25 years, that it barely resembles its former self, and many of the things that made bowling an attractive activity to the masses has been lost in the translation from one form to the other.
Bowling is/was one of those things that "got it right" the first time. It was simple to play, easy to love, yet challenging and hard to "master". While some changes that left bowling's basic form close to the original (changes like lane finishes going from lacquer to urethane, or balls going from rubber to polyester, things that were equally beneficial to ALL participants) were reasonable, allowing changes to the game that totally changed the way it was played, or favored one group over another, should not have been tolerated.
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Bowlers in general.
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Lack of courtesy is a continuing issue, but I found a new scenario last week. After converting a 7 pin, I took one (1) step to the right with my right foot. I was still at the foul line. The guy on the approach to my right griped that I was encroaching on his space (I was not). He was so aggressive that I thought he was kidding. He was SERIOUS.
I told him that a bowler at the foul line generally has the right of way as between bowlers on adjacent lanes. I asked this guy if he was actually going to bowl with a player at the foul line on an adjacent lane. He mumbled some gibberish. I usually stay off the approach is someone is bowling on an adjacent lane.
This scenario really irked me.
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In line with St. croix, when you're on the approach, in your stance, and dimwit to either side of you step up on the approach, either to wait for you to go or grab their ball off the return. I stop, turn to them, and they give me this dumbfounded look, like why did they do wrong. Then they get a short lesson on bowling etiquette.
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On your original post I'd like to comment on your #3 beef.
I'm from Ohio and have coached High School Varsity and have my Level 1 and Bronze certification along with the background check.
Applied for a position that was posted at a local HS for a Varsity coach.
Received a letter from them and was told that it was filled by a current teacher/golf coach and was also informed that the Teacher Union had this written into their contract.
I went to one of their practices and the coach did exactly as you stated.
So in Ohio it's okay for the kids to be coached by a non-qualified person.
The state of education in Ohio.
My only recourse is to never vote for a school related LEVY again. Teacher's Union thinks they won. But they really lost as did the kids that love bowling.
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I would Like to 1+ Bobohio
I live In ILL. they must offer the coaching jobs for any sport to a teacher 1st, since they are paid positions. I am a Usbc Silver certified with a background check etc.
I can not even help in practice for free unless I have a child on the team and that still takes an act of congress.
I do know some Usbc coaches who have had the position for years but they have been around for a long time and no teacher wanted the position.
How can the Student get better when the teacher/coach have no idea how to even bowl. and that goes for all sports In ILL. They take it for the extra money.
I do have a friend who teaches in a ILL H.S. and coaches both boys & girls Soccer plus Girls Basket ball. He does get a nice kicker $ for each sport that is why he does it. Plus he never played either in his life.
Just the sorry state of public education under Union and Liberal control
Yes I do understand they think they are protecting the student But there are ways to let good people still help out
Just my .02
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I will tell you what drives me nuts . It's the bowlers that think the owner/ lane man puts the better shot down for them selfs . I run the lane machine ware I bowl that my parents have owned for 26 years . Why would I do that we are there to make money if I piss every one off an they don't come back I am out of business . Just give them credit for the hard work they have put in to get to ware they are at.
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Can't speak to the high school thing (yet) but I am similarly bugged by junior leagues. My son did the second half of junior league last season at one house and is doing league at a different house this season. So my complaint is consistent. It is that there is virtually no teaching. Not of the junior juniors anyway. And if there is the briefest of interactions it is generally limited to 'keep your arm straight'.
I am generally horrified by some of the kids form. Throwing off wrong foot, not learning one lane courtesy, and other basic, fixable fundamentals. And they are never addressed. I can't lay all the blame on the 'coaches' because there may be only one of them for all the kids. So the main goal is to make sure they're throwing in the right direction. So what bugs me is the lack of attention or resources paid to the youth bowler in general. That's where the future is, not trying to get 40 something's like me to start playing in more leagues.
The other thing that bothers me is parents who let there kids run wild during open bowling. Example: my son and I went to practice on Friday night at the house we were doing an adult junior tourney at yesterday. So they put a young family with three kids that had to be 6 and under right next to us. Many times all three kids on the lane at the same time. Wander over to our side. Sitting down at the foul line. Parents not saying a word. I would have NEVER gotten away with such behavior when I was a kid.
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how the game is so damn inconsistent...like in how in 1 frame everything that was working for you just stops and you have no clue why...and can't figure it out
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@Suhoney: Your gripe speaks to the same one about bowling technology having advanced so fast. You have to always pay attention to your ball's reaction downlane. Even when you are striking well.....you should still pay attention to ball reaction! That reaction will always give you clues as to when the lanes are transitioning and about to change drastically. For example, if the 7-10 pins fall out late on a strike, that you know you "pured", you better get ready to make a change. Likewise, if you see the 8 pin or 9 pin just barely fall,.....a change is coming. If I begin to get a lot of trip 4's, I know that i may have to make a move, and most importantly, make the move now. That's why I have never understood these guys who like to throw their strike, but turn their backs on the ball, just before it hits pocket! Just my 2 cents.
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I'm a junior league coach, and a volunteer high school coach. One of my peeves is that I am here to coach, and it dumbfounds me that parents bring their kids to our club to learn how to bowl, BUT the parents coach the kids from the back. When i'm addressing an issue with the kid, they are staring back at their parent the whole time and not listening to anything you say.
During one of the HS tournaments, one girl would only listen to her grandfather and not listen to her coaches. Needless to say she did not qualify. Another girl who I expected to medal decided that she knew exactly what to do, but was struggling with 3 opens in a row and none of her first shots even hit the head pin. Told her what to do and she shot three strikes in a row and then a 9/, but she was obviously mad at me and showing it blatantly. Then she told me she wanted to do something else, so being that she was mad, I told her to go ahead. Open, open, open again. She did not medal and wasn't even close. I did tell her that I was disappointed with her performance, but more so with her attitude.
Let the coaches coach.
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#1. When the center can't check / clean the lane area before league. Two weeks ago, at the start of practice, I stepped in a small puddle of soda next to the ball return. I was told the local HS practices before my league, which raises an issue mentioned in the OP. Luckily, a teammate had some simple green and wiped up the mess.
#2. Parents who let their kids run wild. Also several weeks ago, a bowler in my league went down like a ton of bricks b/c he stuck on the approach. He had stepped in water in the bathroom. When the manager checked the bathroom, he actually had to close the bathroom b/c there was so much water on the floor.
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If the conditions of school bowling bother you, get certified--the ones who are there
did. Being certified by some bowling group is not enough. Secondly, if you think that
any coaches are just there for the money, you do not understand the pay relationship
and the time and responsibilities involved. Regarding a student listening to a family
member and not your coaching--you are not their father. A student is free to listen to anyone he wants.
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Nextbowler,
I 'am certified and do understand the time and dedication it takes to teach the next generation of bowlers. The Ohio Teacher's Union does not understand this.
As I said in my original post, the teacher in charge is not certified in the sport he is being trusted to instruct nor does he care. He's hiding behind the UNION CONTRACT and is feasting on tax payers money.
As far as children listening to Dad rather then a coach, if Dad is so worried about his child, why doesn't he get certified and become a coach and help out.
I know where I'm coaching we our in need of at least 18-24 more coaches. Not back seat coach's.
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The pay the teacher gets isn't enough to have to deal with the parents, never mind the time and expense of having to go to the bowling center.
It wouldn't consider any pay a teacher gets as a feast.
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Certification means absolutely nothing...does not mean you truly understand the game or ball motion...seen more 'certified' coaches need to take lessons than give them
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We're getting onto a sidetrack here about H.S. bowling. I think it deserves it's own subject line, so so would one of you please do so.
On this thread, let's just agree that public school bowling classes aren't as well organized as the traditional sports. In fact, generally speaking, they're little more than an "alternative" for those who don't want to participate in wrestling, basketball, football, soccer, etc.
However, this leaves a lot of room for improvement and the potential of a big turn around. Bowling ought to be recognized for what it is: a very challenging sport that's a lot more complicated than it appears to be.
The BUG is that most people think bowling is a sissy sport.
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SpiderMan..
in response to your bowler going down cuz he stepped in a puddle of water in the bathroom.... 1 - use the shoe booties, or 2 take off your bowling shoe and put on your regular shoe to walk into the bathroom...
I stepped in a "wet" spot once right before league was about to start and i learned my lesson right there... always wear the shoe bootie's.. or just dont wear your bowling shoes until league starts... and dont wear them off the bowling approach / table area...
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I realize that the subject should be changed, but, a father certainly does't need to be
certified to teach his own child. That notion is ridiculous. Bowling is just like other sports in high schools ( golf, tennis, etc.) in that many of these athletes have their
own coaches outside of the school. They just use schools for practice. It is not the
Ohio teachers association that keeps you from coaching. It is usually state laws to
make sure that the coaches are certified and responsible to the school. While it is
true that many bowling coaches are not sufficient, bowling is not a high priority item in the school and could be easily eliminated. It is fortunate that opportunity is provided. Appreciate it for what is.
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Bowlers that complain about bowlers who complain about bowling.