it's a great Heavy Oil ball... just say'n...

gets old hearing it from the reviewers and maybe staffers.

its hard to really rely on anyone anymore. a lot of Hammer balls finished in 4000 and polished are rated for heavy oil. trying to figure out cover's on these balls are hard enough without some review's posting great heavy oil ball when they really meant to say lots of backend off the great wall of China.
I admit though I do like how 900 rates cover's.

Well the only advice is to do your research and add surface. Every company has heavy oil equipment, however, how many Joe Blows are going chance the surface on their equipment? The reason a lot of "heavy" oil balls are finished with 4000 and/or polish is because manufacturer's know most people don't change surfaces and don't bowl on "Heavy" oil but want to cover the entire lane.
I agree that the chatter gets exhausting, but you cannot fault the manufacturer's or staffers for trying to sell their product. Believe me, as a shop operator, I get extremely tired of the "Which ball hooks more on the back end?"

I understand where the OP is coming from. According to the reviews, every ball out there goes long, hooks like crazy in the back end and hits like a freight train. It's similar with softball bats, where every bat out there is super hot and dropping bombs right out of the wrapper. You need to educate yourself. If you do that, you'll be able to quickly tell who actually knows what they're talking about and can be listened to compared to the guys/gals who know nothing other than the reality created on their house shots. It's tedious and annoying, but it can be done.

To be fair, to ask a loaded question such as "Which ball hooks more on the back end" is setting yourself up for being told something wrong. If you have a lot of end over end, you put the same ball in my hands and I am going to have more backend, no matter what. So you tell someone "This ball is very strong on the back end" and it doesn't do what they wanted it to, you're a liar and a horrible no nothing bowling ball butcher who steals little kids candy at Halloween and knocks over old people for fun.

That would be like me going into a car dealership, and saying "Which car is the best car for me?" Not knowing your situation, they're going to ask questions. A good pro shop operator should know that there are many factors to ball reaction, but the customer needs to know that it's not a question you can honestly answer with "This ball right here"

Quote from: Rightycomplex on November 08, 2013, 12:46:00 PM

Believe me, as a shop operator, I get extremely tired of the "Which ball hooks more on the back end?"

With this quote I can now understand why I will never come into your shop. If I have a question about a ball I expect an answer, not someone who thinks my question is dumb because everyone else asks the samething.

While I respect your opinion and that is your decision, understand that your statement is putting words in my mouth. I'm not saying the question is dumb. It's a legitamite question. I just get tired of hearing it 30 times a day 5 days a week.. Which is why I encourage my customers to do there research before they come in and buy a ball. Understand all the makings of what makes the balls do what you are looking for. That way you get what you are looking for instead of just a "hot ball of the month". My job is not to sell you A ball but the RIGHT ball.
I'm more than willing to go as in depth as people can understand, helping them find PAP, Tilt, Rotation, base layout, what effects certain layouts and balls can have with the style of bowler and numbers that are presented. It makes my job easier and is more accurate than "drill me up something that goes long and hooks hard." Well, almost every ball does that depending on your style. So thats a blanket statement.
To the OP, understand as well, I'm not trying to be anal. It's hard to get excited for releases when they come out 10-15 per month and each one hooks more then the last or it back ends more than the last. As far as Hammer goes, I think they have just accepted that this is what people want and rarely does the avg Joe Blow run into the 48 ft flat pattern (figuratively speaking). Most of there balls that are for oil will be serviceable on that pattern but not without surface and aggressive layout.

Which ball hooks on oil heavy oil, has a lot of backend, and cost about $100? Oh, no weight hole either.

Pro shop operators have a rough job.

Well said Righty complex! It amazes me the number of people who refuse to do their research and are just here to bowl. If you are going to get into a sport, it is in your own best interests to find out as much as possible about that sport!

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