BallReviews
General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: six pack on November 06, 2013, 05:52:04 PM
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it's a great Heavy Oil ball... just say'n...
gets old hearing it from the reviewers and maybe staffers.
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whats the point of this really? If you don't like the reviews dont read them or do something about it.
I actually messaged a staffer/rep on here a few weeks ago as I thought the reviews people were giving for his brand were really off the wall and not very helpful to the community. As a person who had already gained the respect of many on here as a rep for the certain company, I figured he would be willing to answer my questions. He was glad to hear from someone else on what was good and what could be done better, and he explained that the company was in the process of trying to get more of their staffers out in the forums and shed some light on their new equipment.
If you dont like it, do something about it or just forget about it
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its hard to really rely on anyone anymore. a lot of Hammer balls finished in 4000 and polished are rated for heavy oil. trying to figure out cover's on these balls are hard enough without some review's posting great heavy oil ball when they really meant to say lots of backend off the great wall of China.
I admit though I do like how 900 rates cover's.
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I like AMF/900 global cover ratings also. Not so shrouded in mystery and hype.
I see Roto is doing a similar thing also.
I am getting better at understanding whether strength is coming from cover, core, or drilling. Also where it is coming in the lane travel path.
Regards,
Luckylefty
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Well the only advice is to do your research and add surface. Every company has heavy oil equipment, however, how many Joe Blows are going chance the surface on their equipment? The reason a lot of "heavy" oil balls are finished with 4000 and/or polish is because manufacturer's know most people don't change surfaces and don't bowl on "Heavy" oil but want to cover the entire lane.
I agree that the chatter gets exhausting, but you cannot fault the manufacturer's or staffers for trying to sell their product. Believe me, as a shop operator, I get extremely tired of the "Which ball hooks more on the back end?"
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I like AMF/900 global cover ratings also. Not so shrouded in mystery and hype.
I see Roto is doing a similar thing also.
I am getting better at understanding whether strength is coming from cover, core, or drilling. Also where it is coming in the lane travel path.
Regards,
Luckylefty
I like that as well, Lefty. The fact that they do it through out the whole line, and I can take an AMF ball with F74 and know that it's going to be weaker than S76 is great. Storm/Roto would do good to adapt something similar, since it's very possible for someone that likes Utah to use both companies.
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I understand where the OP is coming from. According to the reviews, every ball out there goes long, hooks like crazy in the back end and hits like a freight train. It's similar with softball bats, where every bat out there is super hot and dropping bombs right out of the wrapper. You need to educate yourself. If you do that, you'll be able to quickly tell who actually knows what they're talking about and can be listened to compared to the guys/gals who know nothing other than the reality created on their house shots. It's tedious and annoying, but it can be done.
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Believe me, as a shop operator, I get extremely tired of the "Which ball hooks more on the back end?"
With this quote I can now understand why I will never come into your shop. If I have a question about a ball I expect an answer, not someone who thinks my question is dumb because everyone else asks the samething.
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To be fair, to ask a loaded question such as "Which ball hooks more on the back end" is setting yourself up for being told something wrong. If you have a lot of end over end, you put the same ball in my hands and I am going to have more backend, no matter what. So you tell someone "This ball is very strong on the back end" and it doesn't do what they wanted it to, you're a liar and a horrible no nothing bowling ball butcher who steals little kids candy at Halloween and knocks over old people for fun.
That would be like me going into a car dealership, and saying "Which car is the best car for me?" Not knowing your situation, they're going to ask questions. A good pro shop operator should know that there are many factors to ball reaction, but the customer needs to know that it's not a question you can honestly answer with "This ball right here"
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To be fair, to ask a loaded question such as "Which ball hooks more on the back end" is setting yourself up for being told something wrong. If you have a lot of end over end, you put the same ball in my hands and I am going to have more backend, no matter what. So you tell someone "This ball is very strong on the back end" and it doesn't do what they wanted it to, you're a liar and a horrible no nothing bowling ball butcher who steals little kids candy at Halloween and knocks over old people for fun.
That would be like me going into a car dealership, and saying "Which car is the best car for me?" Not knowing your situation, they're going to ask questions. A good pro shop operator should know that there are many factors to ball reaction, but the customer needs to know that it's not a question you can honestly answer with "This ball right here"
I agree here.
I guess what I don't really understand is, and this relates to the ball question..........how do people NOT KNOW their "which car is the best car for me?" question is stupid? Is "best" defined as quickest off the line or is best measured in the long haul.
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Believe me, as a shop operator, I get extremely tired of the "Which ball hooks more on the back end?"
With this quote I can now understand why I will never come into your shop. If I have a question about a ball I expect an answer, not someone who thinks my question is dumb because everyone else asks the samething.
While I respect your opinion and that is your decision, understand that your statement is putting words in my mouth. I'm not saying the question is dumb. It's a legitamite question. I just get tired of hearing it 30 times a day 5 days a week.. Which is why I encourage my customers to do there research before they come in and buy a ball. Understand all the makings of what makes the balls do what you are looking for. That way you get what you are looking for instead of just a "hot ball of the month". My job is not to sell you A ball but the RIGHT ball.
I'm more than willing to go as in depth as people can understand, helping them find PAP, Tilt, Rotation, base layout, what effects certain layouts and balls can have with the style of bowler and numbers that are presented. It makes my job easier and is more accurate than "drill me up something that goes long and hooks hard." Well, almost every ball does that depending on your style. So thats a blanket statement.
To the OP, understand as well, I'm not trying to be anal. It's hard to get excited for releases when they come out 10-15 per month and each one hooks more then the last or it back ends more than the last. As far as Hammer goes, I think they have just accepted that this is what people want and rarely does the avg Joe Blow run into the 48 ft flat pattern (figuratively speaking). Most of there balls that are for oil will be serviceable on that pattern but not without surface and aggressive layout.
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Well said Righty complex! It amazes me the number of people who refuse to do their research and are just here to bowl. If you are going to get into a sport, it is in your own best interests to find out as much as possible about that sport!
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Which ball hooks on oil heavy oil, has a lot of backend, and cost about $100? Oh, no weight hole either.
Pro shop operators have a rough job.
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Which ball hooks on oil heavy oil, has a lot of backend, and cost about $100? Oh, no weight hole either.
Pro shop operators have a rough job.
ROTFLMAO!!!! Northface, you almost made me spit out good hennessey. It's a living and not too rough. Just at times aggravating, but I love my job.
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Well said Righty complex! It amazes me the number of people who refuse to do their research and are just here to bowl. If you are going to get into a sport, it is in your own best interests to find out as much as possible about that sport!
+1
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I suggested to my Pro shop Entrepreneur he get a sign that says:
Rule 1.
I gave you what you asked for.
Rule 2.
If the ball is not what you asked for, see rule 1, and learn to communicate better.
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talking to a pro shop operator he said oob finish on most bowling balls almost means nothing for how the ball performs but more to do with shelf appeal. this is not the first time I've heard this but raises some questions. how many balls designed for heavy oil have the cover's polished up for shelf appeal? and wouldn't that make a heavy oil ball more a med oil ball for the masses? amazes me how they make something as simple as picking a ball even more confusing for most.
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Most bowlers buying the high performance ball have no idea what heavy oil is. Better bowlers and shops know that surface is everything and adjust it accordingly.
I just drilled two Marauder Madness I got on closeout. Out the box had one drilled for heavier oil and sanded the cover to 1000. The other drilled for when the lanes breakdown and applied heavy polish to the box finish. Hit the lanes and both are exactly where I wanted them to be.
Shelf appeal means a lot for sales to most of the consumers buying both high and low averages. It gets your attention. No bowling ball company wants to push the brown station wagon with wood paneling of the ballmarket.