win a ball from Bowling.com

Author Topic: Changing PBA conditions and players  (Read 1116 times)

Pinbuster

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4585
  • Former proshop worker
Changing PBA conditions and players
« on: January 10, 2005, 02:40:34 AM »
During the show yesterday they talked quite a bit about how Parker Bohn had to revamp his game to work on the current conditions. I’m not sure that is the whole story but let’s assume that it is.

What has changed in the last 2 years that suddenly made a hall of fame members game to be obsolete? I don’t really believe balls have changed that much so it must be lane surface, lane conditioners, and the patterns being used.

Is it good for the game that this kind of change has occurred? While he is not one of my favorites I had always admired Parker for his solid physical game. He always seemed to be fundamentally sound. Why should so of those fundamentals now be obsolete?

Conditions have always played into who had great years. I remember 10 years or so ago when Butch Soper suddenly had a year or two run. His favorite condition came around and he took advantage of it. You look through history of the PBA bowlers would have 1 to 3 good years and then disappear back into the shadows.

Is it good that a style of player can be made or destroyed by the lane man? Wouldn’t it be great if the lane man was taken completely out of play, certain fundamentals were tantamount, and those who executed the best would come out on top.




 

Nodsleinad

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1184
Re: Changing PBA conditions and players
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2005, 10:55:17 AM »
I agree and concur 100%.  Elite amatuers are told to adjust and make hand changes etc etc etc to score.  These guys are the "BEST" in the world and they seem to have trouble doing the same thing.  I simply refuse to believe that a  surface change / drilling change would not of allowed Parker to perform better. Of course maybe he has lost his drive, maybe there are circumstances I am unaware (injury,etc).  I also realize the difference from being 100% to 80% comfortable is $$$$ in the pocket for these guys.

Parker did not look comfortable and his natural aggresiveness was tempered.

Of course all Brunswick balls do the same thing anyways (  wink-wink  )  maybe he was out of answers.

Nod

Edited on 1/10/2005 1:01 PM
LTBOCSFM

mumzie

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6914
Re: Changing PBA conditions and players
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2005, 11:29:28 AM »
If his game had migrated over the years to enable his success, then the conditions enabling that success had changed, I can see that a revamping would be necessary.

I don't know the whole story either, but he has two small kids, and concern over raising a family/providing for said family may have added to the pressure, and made the changes more radical.

I have recently "revamped" my entire game - specifically to work better on today's conditions. Does this mean that I should have ridden off into the sunset as well?
--------------------
-- Whether you believe you can, or you believe you can't - you are right.
------------------------
www.Shirts4Bowling.com
We Know What Bowlers Want

Home of the HAMBONE shirt!

Pinbuster

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4585
  • Former proshop worker
Re: Changing PBA conditions and players
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2005, 11:43:58 AM »
Mumzie – No, but it would seem that a fundamentally sound game should remain so. That what produced power and accuracy in the past should today. The game shouldn’t evolve so much that principals that work in one era shouldn’t work in another.

I know we are talking at the highest levels here and that the difference between being simply good and a champ is a strike or two in a 7 game match.

But bowling seems to change so much faster than other sports. Full rollers ruled for a few years, then came plastic, urethane lane finishes, soft rubber, urethane balls, 2-piece balls, resin, dynamic cores, different lane conditioners, different lane patterns, particle balls, etc, etc. Each of these seems to require a different skill set.

While I believe that if Dick Weber (or Earl Anthony, Don Johnson, Mark Roth, etc) had grown up on today’s environment that he would have developed a game that would make him great today why shouldn’t the game he developed then still be good today?

Why should Del Ballard suddenly be made insignificant? Even Pete Weber took several years to revamp his game so that he could come back to being a champion.

While other sports have changed gradually over time due to technology I can’t think of another that has changed as often and dramatically as bowling has.

It makes the sport tough to teach in that what works today might not work 5 years from now.

Leftyhi-trak

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2288
Re: Changing PBA conditions and players
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2005, 12:24:57 PM »
Remember he had quite a bit of injury issues with his wrist the last few years. Was it his hard follow through or high amount of tilt from hand turn causing this, don't know but maybe? Also the conditions have changed and what is one persons strong point is another weakness. Hugh Millers web-site had stated in the last few years the left side had a much different reaction than previous years and hitting the mid-lane correctly with tilt, rotation  and speed became more crucial. Glad to see Parker back as he is a nice gentleman but believe at least for now he is just another bowler (PBA) and not the star of a few years ago. You could really see him working hard to slow down the footwork and tone down the armswing. Wished he had won for his confidence level but oh well he will get a chance some other time. He has a boatload of game and he will adjust.

Pinbuster

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4585
  • Former proshop worker
Re: Changing PBA conditions and players
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2005, 01:23:29 PM »
Sawbones – I know that when the PBA was bought out they tried to use sport shot conditions for a few tournaments but found the scoring to be so low, particularly under the TV lights that they went to modified patterns.

I believe the have Kegel doing research on the patterns and they keep tweaking the patterns. Last years patterns were different than this years patterns. In addition I believe they starting using a different lane conditioner this year.

The PBA has always played with conditions once they took over the lane maintenance duties from the houses in the 1970’s.

Fluxuateher

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 86
Re: Changing PBA conditions and players
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2005, 02:32:12 PM »
Bowling is a sport where the scoring is just about completely controlled by the lane conditions.  You can see this in your own local bowl on league nights.  When the lanes have had more or less play before league, then they will play different and then some different bowlers will probably be the stars for that night.  Parker isn't as young as he used to be and I'm sure that his priorities have changed some too.  Is there any pro bowler that you see every week?  Nope!  Wasn't their week, and this could be for a million reasons, including the lane conditions...  There are a lot of other real good bowlers who used to be more prominent too.  What happened to Forkel?  What about Harvey Milktoast from Chicago who won 3 titles last year?  Mika was absent until this past weekend.  What about the Weber kid?

michelle

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4913
Re: Changing PBA conditions and players
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2005, 03:36:37 PM »
Might some of the difference also be attributed to the move away from the traditional mode of qualifying followed by 24-game match play?  In that environment, you did not always have to come out of the gate with all guns blazing but rather could tread water until the lanes opened up a little.

If that premise is accepted, then it is not as much about working on the physical game as adapting to the environment.  

I do also seem to recall that he had some back issues a few years back, and that may have caused some changes that were not really noticable on TV, but could be picked up when you deconstruct the game on computer analysis.