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kidlost2000

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This site is better then I thought
« on: June 26, 2010, 04:35:52 PM »

I know this site isn''t great sometimes but it is a lot better then having someone/admin lock a thread because of fear or someone getting their feelings hurt. I doubt MO cares if I''m trying to build a MB/PSA locator since he wasn''t getting my $1300 for it any ways.

heres the link

http://forum.bowlingchat.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=747

I have another post on ballreviews under drilling where I''m posting my progress on here.
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Edited on 6/27/2010 9:27 PM
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

 

kidlost2000

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Re: This site is better then I thought
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2010, 03:55:27 AM »
That sums my experiences up.

This was the first site I signed up for and used. I never looked much elsewhere till a week ago when I saw that Mo was posting on their site and wanted to look into it.

The site is ok. The huge lack of organization/categories is kinda annoying.

The response I got from an admin about making a determinator was kinda interesting.

"Kid, as much time and effort as Mo spends here sharing his knowledge, I am hesitant to say anything else to you on this line of questioning. I am going to lock this thread and recommend you do not start it again.

Paul"


I did a repost but didn''t use the term determinator.

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Edited on 6/27/2010 7:07 AM
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: This site is better then I thought
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2010, 10:21:23 AM »
I suggest anyone look at the topic he posted in over there and the Forum it was in, no offense kidlost2000 but to go to Mo's section of the forum and try and get information vital to creation of something that Mo put a lot of time and effort into and try and replicate it is not going to go over well. Mo has a patent on it and the moderator is just trying to protect his creation and whether you can or cannot machine the parts I don't care to get into that but it is obvious to me your asking a question that sets you up to get shut down. I wouldn't bash a website for a question asked in that manner in that location.
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Re: This site is better then I thought
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2010, 10:38:25 AM »
wow that guy on the forum is a d!ck
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Re: This site is better then I thought
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2010, 12:13:14 PM »
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WOW, this guy on the other site is a D#&K!!!


kidlost2000,

BowlingChat.net has been mentioned multiple times in Bowling This Month Magazine. The website's reputation for innovation and helping its users has been a long standing tradition.

Mo & Friends forum is moderated exclusively by Mo Pinel, purduepaul, MathIsTruth and ballspinner.

If you have any questions regarding your locked topic, please contact them via PM or email.

For additional information on patent laws and regulations, please see the following from United States Patent and Trademark Office: http://www.uspto.gov/patents/law/index.jsp

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Re: This site is better then I thought
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2010, 12:58:23 PM »
And the D!*K from the other site, purduepaul, has been a major force with USBC in studying ball motion and the effect of modern technology on bowling balls. I believe his name is Paul Ridenour, Paul Ridenour, USBC Research Engineer.

 Don't belittle those who you do not know, or have respect for.  He may be a D!*K, but a very SMART one, and probably knows what he's talking about.
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Re: This site is better then I thought
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2010, 02:20:35 PM »
Hmmm....interesting comments...all!

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Re: This site is better then I thought
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2010, 02:36:46 PM »
It's been a long time, but somebody was selling something similar to the determinator - I believe it was on ebay.

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Re: This site is better then I thought
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2010, 04:40:01 PM »
CRD the thought is after reading on MB/PSA and the fact that it moved after drilling the ball becomes important.

Say you drill the and want to add a P4 weight hole, you have to be able to find the P4 location since it has moved. This was mentioned by Mo in reference to the new RipR vid when someone asked why the P4 weight hole was an 1 1/4" or more above the psa/mb mark of the ball and over a little left or right.

I'm not a proshop. The proshops I have been to do not have this machine. Most probably don't need it since they have been around this long with out it. I do no need it. I would however like to have one to see the effects it has on the PSA/MB on future bowling balls that I drill to more accurately locate where I put a weight hole.

My bowling accomplishments having nothing to do with my desire to have these products or think I can reproduce one.

Paul first said I can't make one that is accurate like his boos or whomever at USBC who had problems with his. Then he says if I do make one it will require certain parts machined and ect ect. He also stated that he has nothing to do with the making of the product ect ect.

 I'm sure he did a lot of great stuff for USBC. Maybe he talked sense into them not banning weight holes who knows. That is not my concern for what I'm building.


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Trust me when I say this, you are not going to be able to reproduce a deTerminator reaction with a home made machine. There are too many machined parts that need to be made to certain tolerances. Save up your pennies and buy one from Mo, hed be happy to sell you one.

You can disagree its allowed, by the way to clear the record, I did not have anything to do with the research or design of the determinator.

My boss made a homemade one at USBC, and honestly it never ran 1/2 as well as Mo's determinator. You are correct motors are cheap but to rollers are going to be a small fortune because they have to be machined. Unless you have a CNC Machine in your house or garage, it will cost you a pretty penny. and if you do I need some small parts machined as well for a side project. Thanks.

Paul
 

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Re: This site is better then I thought
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2010, 04:41:18 PM »
Is there something wrong with new releases and overseas releases as an interest? Because I have both.
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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2010, 04:49:50 PM »
Thanks for the patent information, but I do not intend to sell. Nor will mine be the same as the ones sold by Jayhawk.
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Re: This site is better then I thought
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2010, 05:06:31 PM »
I'm not sure about an actual DeTerminator, but that thing in the Ebonite factory should be reasonably easy to replicate.

 Looks like a lower speed motor with a long driven shaft, supported by bearings, and having a concave shaped roller attached to it, with a similar free rolling concave roller opposite it at the proper distance to support the ball.

 The rollers should have as low friction a surface as possible, to lessen their influence on the spinning ball while still spinning it readily.
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Re: This site is better then I thought
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2010, 07:03:47 PM »
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I'm not sure about an actual DeTerminator, but that thing in the Ebonite factory should be reasonably easy to replicate.

 Looks like a lower speed motor with a long driven shaft, supported by bearings, and having a concave shaped roller attached to it, with a similar free rolling concave roller opposite it at the proper distance to support the ball.

 The rollers should have as low friction a surface as possible, to lessen their influence on the spinning ball while still spinning it readily.
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Exactly. Already found the parts needed and will double check on prices tomorrow before I start ordering.

Now if you can find a difference between the one from the Ebonite vid and the one sold by Jayhawk I would be curious what it is. According to the online instruction manual I have not been able to find anything. Other then an arm to help accurately pencil in the new mb/psa location of the ball. Which would be the spot the ball is at axis on.
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Re: This site is better then I thought
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2010, 07:09:55 PM »
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The point is "Who cares"?  I know atomic bombs work, scientists can explain it, but I don''t have to duplicate it to believe them. Drastic comparison to be sure, but a valid one. Mo Pinel and other people in the industry are willing to do the research, I suggest you use their findings and quit stepping on toes.  I certainly wouldn''t post that another guy is being a D$ck just because he shut you down as was his right to do so.  I might also add that he was correct to do so.


I care. In the point I would like to be able to locate the MB/PSA of a bowling ball drilled and undrilled. The research was done other then the curiosity of the rollers because theres/Jayhawks appeared different from some others. I was curious about the friction of the rollers of there material vs others I have seen.

I can say someone is what ever name I choose to. CRD you spend most of your time on this site doing that in one form or another to any and every one. You have had more then one post dedicated to that fact along with others on this site.
I always find it entertaining, but could careless if that is what you choose to spend you time doing.




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Edited on 6/27/2010 7:11 PM
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Re: This site is better then I thought
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2010, 08:40:25 PM »
I think the overriding point here is that you were asking Mo to divulge proprietary information that went into the design and production of his machine, which he does sell for profit. Maybe you weren't going to use whatever info he gave you to build a derivative product, but others might have and if Mo puts that information out on a public forum, he's shooting himself in the foot.

Without talking to Paul, I think he was trying to gently stop the conversation before it got to the point where Mo himself was going to be forced to come across as rude to you. You kept pushing and Paul finally shut the conversation down. The way in which he did it, by the way, didn't come anywhere close to d**k level, IMO.

Besides, if I'd put the kind of time into building a reliable, accurate tool like the Determinator, what is there to gain by telling someone how to build their own? If I'm trying to sell $1,300 Determinators, I want people buying my $1,300 Determinators. I don't want there to be a bunch of homegrown products out there competing with my design.

And if it's as difficult to do as Paul says it is, he may have been trying to save you a headache. If you build one, you're going to have to find someone who does have a Determinator in order to test and verify yours, which you'll have to do by testing literally dozens of balls in order to get a reliable sample. Otherwise, you'll never know whether yours works or not.

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