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bennett

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Thought I bowled bad but....
« on: April 27, 2004, 09:41:45 PM »
I thought I bowled bad considering I missed more spares than usual this year and finished only with a 209 average in a particular league.  Yet, I found it odd that I was head and shoulders above everybody in average on my league.  Now I know why.

Since the season is up and did some digging around out leaguesecretary.com.  I found 4 leagues and counted up over 350 bowlers (I figure 250+ male bowlers).  To my surprise I found only 1-220 average bowler (I know I could have averaged in 215 range if my spare shooting was better, it was that bad) and only 5-6 bowlers that out-averaged me.  

One thing is for sure when you tell somebody your average, it doesn't mean a thing.  You have to go by what everybody else is averaging.  209 may not sound good to many bowlers here, but when I look at the spread it wasn't bad especially when you consider how horrible I was on spares this year.  

No real question to ask, just if anybody could elaborate on a situation on this and the surprised  experience when you learned what everybody was averaging in the house.
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bennett

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Re: Thought I bowled bad but....
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2004, 01:12:59 PM »
Sawbones,

You're comparing apples and oranges.  I have no desire to become a pro bowler at age 45.  

My point of the post was that I thought I really bowled horrible (which I did in the spare department), however, compared to other league bowlers some of which I know are respectable bowlers (one bowled in this past world open and he averaged 199 on my league, but carries a high 220 average otherwise).  

Going to a regional wouldn't prove much to me because I already know I average in the high 170's on a sport shot (tried it twice).  If I wanted to pursue a pro level I would join a sport condition league so I could learn how to bowl on those types of shots.  However, unless I can average 230's+, and I have a ton of 300's, 800's on a THS I really have no business being in a regional pro level.    

I had somebody just the other day telling me in person that I should try a regional.  I know don't belong there and it wasn't my intent to compare myself to a pro level, only to compare to other league bowlers.
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bennett

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Re: Thought I bowled bad but....
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2004, 01:38:27 PM »
Sawbones,

I know I'm a good league bowler, but a bad pro bowler.  Guy's that average 190's 200+ range in my area win the sport condition tournament, where I'm in the bottom half.  When they bowl against the pros, they are lucky if they cash.  They are the cream of the crop in a league situation, but at the pro level they are barely on the radar screen so I know I would be finishing in last place most of the time.  

I have missed many years of competitive bowling, years that can't be made up at age 45. It's not easy for me to learn how to bowl on a sport shot when they don't lay that down for the league bowling.
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Re: Thought I bowled bad but....
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2004, 02:42:45 PM »
Bennett,

I too am skeptical of evaluating bowlers and leagues by average. However, a red flag went up when I read the following quotes:

 
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My point of the post was that I thought I really bowled horrible (which I did in the spare department)


 
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Yet, I found it odd that I was head and shoulders above everybody in average on my league.  


The one constant I find in evaluating the absolute quality of bowlers is spare making. Truly good bowlers convert 90%+ of spares regardless of conditions. If you finished at the top of your league while having problems with spares, that says something about the overall quality of competition you face.

I'm not saying this stuff to beat up on you on. I too had problems with spares this year and my average was down as a result. But I didn't still end up at or near the top of my leagues. The better bowlers have both high strike and spare conversion percentages, so they will end up well ahead in me in final average. Just some food for thought.
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Re: Thought I bowled bad but....
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2004, 02:51:18 PM »
I would love to see everyone's stats throughout the year on spare conversions. I wish they could devise an average system that not only considered total pinfall, but number of open frames, single pin spares, and multiple pin spares.
When you could figure out some sort of relationship between these things, you could evaluate bowlers better...
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Re: Thought I bowled bad but....
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2004, 03:13:41 PM »
Steven,

I struck more than others.  FWIW, I used to be a good spare shooter back in the plastic, urethane days because I could throw a SMALL hook at my spares.  Now that I'm coming back to bowling cross alley hooking at spares doesn't cut it anymore.  The balls are too strong.  Since that time I've began using plastic and it is taking some getting used to.  Please read the thread on hooking spares.  This is the first time I've used plastic on almost all of my spares and after bowling for 30+ years (not so much league, just open play) it is hard to change, but it is starting to come around.  I'm doing something I NEVER did for 30+ years.  Think about it and you'll see the reasons for the lower than usual spare shooting.

Before I changed to plastic I threw a hook at my spares (except 10 pin).  I missed only 6 or 7 single pin spares over about 100 games (league play).  So, you're not seeing the whole picture.  
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Edited on 4/28/2004 3:11 PM
I want to have a 220+ average like everybody else around here, so give me fresh oil.  

Steven

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Re: Thought I bowled bad but....
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2004, 03:27:45 PM »
bennett: I think I was looking at the big picture in my initial response. In the context of your topic, it really doesn't matter why your spare shooting off -- the fact is that your spare shooting wasn't good, yet you were still able to finish at the top of your league.

Good bowlers convert most of their spares -- period. The fact that you could finish at the top without executing this essential skill (again, it doesn't matter why) says a lot about the quality of your competition. That's the only thing I was trying to get you to look further at.
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bennett

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Re: Thought I bowled bad but....
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2004, 03:45:25 PM »
Steven,

I bowl in metro detroit area, so we are probably the bowling capital of the world.  Do the best bowlers bowl in this center?  No, but like some areas we have some good bowlers.   You will find them in every center where I live.  220's are everywhere here, but I was totally stunned to find only 1 out of 350 bowlers.  They are not all that bad either.  Simple fact I struck more than others.  Some nights I didn't miss any spares, other nights I missed 1,2, 3 or even 4 which is something I never did before.  But, I would get my ball to the pocket time and time again which was something others didn't do as well.  


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Re: Thought I bowled bad but....
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2004, 03:47:54 PM »
Stormlefty,

Well I finished with a 221 average in another house, so that is probably 2-3% and I missed fewer spares.  The key was I struck more and got my ball to the pocket so if I didn't strike, I had a makeable spare.
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Re: Thought I bowled bad but....
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2004, 04:02:22 PM »
It is the same age old problem, averages don’t mean much.

Just because not one averages over 205 in your house doesn’t necessarily mean that it is a scoring dungeon. The talent pool may be really shallow.

Just because one averages over 205 doesn’t mean they are on the top of the heap.

And you can have every combination in between. Too bad ABC cannot figure out a way to rate house shots like they rate golf courses. 200 in this house is the same as 220 in another, 220 may only be 180 somewhere else.

This is a little off topic but:

We had a guy come into the shop and proudly announce that he was averaging 208 in a league, talking smack like he knew everything and was ready to take on the tour. We knew the league and asked how he stacked up in the league. Turned out he was about the 63rd high average in the league with around 90 members. Scoring at this house is extremely high. When over 60 bowlers in one league can out average you what makes you think you are ready to take on the tour?

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Re: Thought I bowled bad but....
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2004, 04:08:45 PM »
Stormlefty asd Steven,

I will say this, we had hardly any oil from week to week.  That made the shot unpredictable from week to week.  When I walked into my good house (220+ average), it was very predictable.  I used only 2 bowling balls all season long in the 220+ average house.  

My gut feeling is that the shot wasn't as easy as other centers (the 209 center).  I don't know how I managed to be 209 other than the fact I took 6 bowling balls to the center and when it overreacted I didn't bother trying to adjust, I picked up a weaker ball and I was right back in the pocket.  Doing this appeared to give me an advantage over those that brought only 3 balls.  People looked at me, but despite my spare shooting not being where it should be I got my ball to the pocket most of the time where others didn't.  I used about 6 different balls and I was always willing to change when something didn't work right.

BTW, there was no good inside shot there either.  No oil to be found there either.  

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Edited on 4/28/2004 4:01 PM
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Thought I bowled bad but....
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2004, 04:26:35 PM »
I know exactly that which you speak.

As a bowler who usually has been able to hit the pocket(at least until I moved to a new area).  My bowling has usually been carry related(I go through phases good and bad(based on how I put the ball down, I know the problem in many cases has been me).  Then it compounds based on how much I'm competing and how much I practice spares.

Fact of the matter is for the last couple of years I've often carried just slightly under 200 averages while averaging close to 9 single pin misses or non split misses a night.

This actually gives me a lot of confidence going into any handicap tournament.

Because fixing the problem is usually so easy for me!  4 hours of spare only practice for 1 to two weeks before any decent money tournament makes me feel pretty dangerous.  Particularly if I've spent some time bowling top average bowlers during the last week head to head straight up and they start to hand me my share or maybe even a little of their share of cash.

It's amazing how quick a 190 average bowler can start to look a lot like 215 on league conditions with good sparemaking!

The rest of the time no money, no pracy!  I try on every one!

REgards,

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