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rymacatthedisco

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thoughts about selling used stuff
« on: December 14, 2010, 12:23:25 AM »
So this is just a little rant, but lately it seems that selling used balls is a joke unless you have the absolute newest stuff or some old gems. Everything that i have been trying to sell is from the past 2 seasons and in good shape. I have stopped posting on here in the For sale section because low balling has gotten unreal. i dont see any problem with 50 plus shipping or even 65 shipped for single drill stuff that is in great shape.

Even trying to sell stuff to guys at league has gotten crazy. a guy that bowls on my league can fit my stuff pretty much perfectly, he just uses his IT thumb when he wants to try my equipment, then when he likes one he offers 30 bucks. im like wow, 30 bucks for a ball that costs 200? come on.

again, sorry for the little rant, but i just dont get it. last time i tried to sell stuff here i put 50 plus shipping for every ball i had and the highest price someone offered was 50 shipped to california, so i wouldve gotten 30 bucks, at that point i rather not waste my time boxing it and sending it out.

just my thoughts for the morning.
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Re: thoughts about selling used stuff
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2010, 10:47:55 AM »
You are right.The net has changed the game of resale.When                                                                  buying NIB for a 105-shipped it drops resale value.I pay 40- for a recent release if the span is 41/2 put a slug in it for ten and have 50 over all on a ball that sales for 110 to 120. Not many people are willing to pay more then 1/2 the price of a ball that is used.Then with new releases every month or so it drives the value down even quicker.The Dist. that sell on line is unloading balls at prices that make a hooker blush,killing bowlers who have to pay retail for a ball.Recently the only balls that seem to hold value beyond 1/2 price has been the Mission and the 2.0. Most bowlers who rotate equipment often are aware of this and purchase accordingly.IMO,the bowling companies are flooding the market with new product that is lowering ever ones price point new and used. I rarely try and sale a ball.For the 20.- I would get, I would rather give it to the youth leagues in the center that is my home house.The proshop will fit the kids free if the ball is donated and in good shape.
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Re: thoughts about selling used stuff
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2010, 10:58:53 AM »
Why buy used, when you can buy it new.  The prices these days for shop work (plugging, resurface, etc) are now higher.


That NIB $120 ball on line vs.  $65 shipped used, $40 to plug it. $20 to resurface/extract oil =  $100 to $120.

I know shops that charge $60 to plug the whole ball up and around $35 per/finger or thumb holes.

When I was in business I charged $40 full, $20 Thumb, $25 Fingers.    

Just buy the ball new.

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Re: thoughts about selling used stuff
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2010, 11:11:10 AM »
It's called supply and demand...the demand is down and the supply is high.  This is just economics 101.  If more than 2 people wanted the balls you have...you would be able to sell them for more.  I don't remember ever paying $50-70 shipped for older used balls.  It has always been $30-$40 to plug and redrill a ball, and with grips and all it isn't really worth the expense when you can buy a new ball for $125ish and pay $50 to have it drilled.

Ball death is also a contributing factor.  Balls 10 years ago didn't die like they do today.  Now oftentimes when you buy something used the cover is worn and it needs serious work to get it back...if at all.  That brings an element of risk into the equation.  I bought a Black Widow on here 2 years ago that I could make hook in the parking lot because it was dead....
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Re: thoughts about selling used stuff
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2010, 11:55:41 AM »
yea all that makes sense to me, its just a random thought and it all sucks. it used to be easy to buy stuff and sell it, now with a new ball every couple weeks, almost impossible
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Re: thoughts about selling used stuff
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2010, 12:06:32 PM »
I still sell my old stuff online.  I just know that I am not gonna get a whole lot for em.  But its something and it helps with the clutter around the house.
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Re: thoughts about selling used stuff
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2010, 12:06:40 PM »
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So this is just a little rant, but lately it seems that selling used balls is a joke unless you have the absolute newest stuff or some old gems. Everything that i have been trying to sell is from the past 2 seasons and in good shape. I have stopped posting on here in the For sale section because low balling has gotten unreal. i dont see any problem with 50 plus shipping or even 65 shipped for single drill stuff that is in great shape.


You've got to be joking!
Unless it's a Theory, a Taboo or a Wicked Siege, $50 - 60 SHIPPED is an expensive asking price.

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Re: thoughts about selling used stuff
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2010, 12:07:38 PM »
Yeah I agree it does suck...and it will get a little bit better when the economy actually recovers a little bit.  The other problem is that balls do come out too fast...by the time you realize you don't like/need a ball...they have released something else on top of it that makes it obsolete.

Your best bet to sell your stuff is your local area now.  Fellow league bowlers and friends.
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Re: thoughts about selling used stuff
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2010, 12:23:33 PM »
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You've got to be joking!
Unless it's a Theory, a Taboo or a Wicked Siege, $50 - 60 SHIPPED is an expensive asking price.

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I agree.  If you think your gonna get half what you paid for then that is out of the question.  It would cost a person at least 50 to plug and drill it.  so that used ball would cost upwards of $150.  At that point it would be better for them to get a new ball.
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Re: thoughts about selling used stuff
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2010, 04:18:03 PM »
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Why buy used, when you can buy it new.  The prices these days for shop work (plugging, resurface, etc) are now higher.


That NIB $120 ball on line vs.  $65 shipped used, $40 to plug it. $20 to resurface/extract oil =  $100 to $120.

I know shops that charge $60 to plug the whole ball up and around $35 per/finger or thumb holes.

When I was in business I charged $40 full, $20 Thumb, $25 Fingers.    

Just buy the ball new.

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Where do you go?? I pay 40 pluged and redrilled, and why do you need oil extraction? After a resurface that is totally not necssary.

rymacatthedisco, I do understand the point you are making, I have put stuff up a few times and I think I have had one response and that was it. Better of giving my used stuff to the high school students for cheap so they have a bowl for high school bowling, not all parents want to spend top dollar on getting a kid a ball they may or may not use alot.
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Re: thoughts about selling used stuff
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2010, 04:25:19 PM »
Resurfacing does not extract all oil from the cover stock.  It merely freshens up the cover on the outside of the ball.   The ball still can have oil deep inside of the coverstock, and once a ball is filled up with oil and can no longer absorb the oil, the performance of the ball lessens.

Many people resurface balls and the balls still do not hook as much as they once did. An oil extraction takes care of the oil that is deep within the coverstock.

Resurfacing and oil extraction are not the same.



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Re: thoughts about selling used stuff
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2010, 05:38:55 PM »
Being a buyer and seller of used equipment I understand your rant but not necessarily agree. Buy a new car and it depreciates once it''''s driven. Now take into consideration the make and model you will garner a good $ in return or demand (ie Faball Blazing Violet, Gold Rhino,V2)depending on its condition.

I buy used based on its price and current drill only when I have to plug the thumb or fingers only. I sell my equipment expecting not to make much, but just to make room and get newer equipment. I''''ve gotten some great deals (Vapor Zone, Original Nighthawk)for less then $35 shipped. You can not think your gonna get half of what you paid once its used 20-50 games and half a season. The market is saturated with new balls quarterly. Just my .02..............9
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Re: thoughts about selling used stuff
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2010, 05:57:11 PM »
Part of it has to do with online sales in general.

Say you have a Wild Thing in mint condition single drill for $40 shipped. Well since last year they have been selling on here and ebay NIB for $60 or less shipped.

Take anything else that has been out and is no longer in production. You can usually find it on here, ebay, or websites for $90 or less NIB shipped to your door.

This hurts your sale of a used ball unless the span matches someone elses and they really want that ball.

The other problem is on cost of getting the ball worked on to fit the new owners wants. Say you just have the thumb plugged and get new inserts.

Most shops charge $15-20 to plug the thumb, $15 for the thumb insert, and $15-20 for finger inserts. Even at the low end of pricing that is $45 plus tax.

Say the person wants to plug the whole ball and have it redrilled. Then your looking at $40+ on the plug work, then finger and thumb inserts $35+. Thats around $75 plus tax. Most people don't want to spend that much on used equipment.

For some it is worth it, for many it isn't.
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Re: thoughts about selling used stuff
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2010, 06:01:54 PM »
hey op, how do you feel when (IF you ever have..??) trading in your 3yr old car for a new one or a different one..???!!!!?!?!?!

you can buy a car for 31k and even b4 you leave the parking they will only give you around 20K ish...  bowling balls DO NOT HOLD THERE VALUE!!  
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Re: thoughts about selling used stuff
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2010, 09:17:29 PM »
Funny - in the midst of this discussion, I see a For Sale here of a USED Tropical Storm. The guy is asking "$75 shipped". No matter the condition or if there's only one frame on that ball, the asking price is inappropriate, to use the kindest word that comes to mind. One can get new one delivered (without drilling) for less than that price. I guess the guy did zero research on that ball or used balls at all, for that matter.
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