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Nicanor

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Throwing 16 LBS recommended by Charlest
« on: August 18, 2008, 02:00:59 AM »
Back in July I had the pleaseure of meeting and practicng with Charlest.  After about 6 games and a lot of conversation, Charlest recommended that I throw 16 pound bowling balls.  I had a 16 LB Cell and a Gravity Shift sitting at home and I started to throw them in practice. I had bought them to help me with heavier oiled lane conditions. My speed was slower and my rev rate was less though carry was pretty good.  I know the weight difference could effect my timing but it didn't take long to adjust.

I continued to throw the 15 LBers in league and what I found out was that I was able to stay behind the ball easier. My rev rate had increased enough to notice and carry has improved.

I might try a Black Widow Bite in 16 LBS though I don't know it I'll throw 16 LBS in competition.  Other parts of my body are too old and can feel the difference.

Thanks Charlest.


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scotts33

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Re: Throwing 16 LBS recommended by Charlest
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2008, 10:49:55 AM »
Being that I'll be 60 in Dec. and need all the ball speed I can generate I'll stick with 15's for the time being.  I can see myself going to 14's if need be.

I think, I understand why the 16's but with fewer conditions that are fresh and stiff.....just not for me.

BTW....had a lesson Fri. with Mike Shady and he said stick with the 15's Scott.  He liked my form and gave me some issues to work on. He liked the way my Ogre Pearl rolled.  Never had seen one before.

 


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Re: Throwing 16 LBS recommended by Charlest
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2008, 11:10:06 AM »
I am actually making the drop from 16 to 15 right now.  

I am more accurate with the lighter ball, get more revs and if need be I can ramp up the speed.  Not much if any loss in hitting power either.

15 or 16 isn't as important as how the ball feels in your hands.
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Re: Throwing 16 LBS recommended by Charlest
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2008, 11:56:23 AM »
Glad it worked out for you, Barry. Believe me, if I can throw 16, you and your muscles can certainly throw it. Just don't push it too hard. It is something to get used to, over time.

I did it at first because I know it helped my timing and my release. After I got comfortable, I found I could throw it faster and harder than my 15s. Timing and comfort are all, not muscles, that is necessary for ball speed.

Scott, the same is true for you. Ball speed is not a muscle thing, although, of course, a certain minimum is required for bowling. A clean thumb release and timing are all that is really necessary. I'm not advocating a move to 16, just some basic bowling logic.

Krakken has the final point: you must be comfortable with what you throw.
However, you must be comfortable for the right reason and you should not be uncomfortable for the wrong reason.

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Re: Throwing 16 LBS recommended by Charlest
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2008, 12:22:42 PM »
Addendum:

I made this suggestion, Barry, because of your developed strength and muscles and because I thought it might help that one flaw we both saw. It was just a suggestion for a potential solution.

You rev rate is plenty high enough, that I could see, but it seems, proportionately lower than your ball speed. If the 16 lb ball slowed down your speed a little, your ball speed and rev rate might match closer.

Of course, all this depends on no muscle, tendon or other problems developing in the meantime. If any stress develops, put the 16s away. Let common sense rule.

By the way, In your mind, have the 16s helped that little problem at all?
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Re: Throwing 16 LBS recommended by Charlest
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2008, 12:56:10 PM »
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weight is relative for the most part, whichever you make the best shot with. As far as carry goes, if you swing the ball, 15's are every bit as good, however, if you play direct, 16's are much better.


But a 15 pounder thrown with a little more ball speed (because it's lighter) will transfer just as much energy.  

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Nicanor

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Re: Throwing 16 LBS recommended by Charlest
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2008, 10:01:00 PM »
Thank you all for the comments.  The problem I was having with my bowling was my armswing and follow through.  I bumped out, got my elbow away from my body and almost always pulled the ball left.

I threw 15s for years because some years ago when I was a Navy boxer, I broke the bone in my hand about two inches back from my ring finger knuckle. I tried 16s every once in a while, but the pain stopped me very quickly.  After throwing 16s in practice I'm fairly confident that I won't be able to throw 16s.  One of my leagues is a six game set. So throwing a 16 for 6 games might be too much for this old man.  I will continue to work with 16 and hope it will help correct my armswing.

Thanks again,

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Edited on 8/18/2008 10:02 PM
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