Author Topic: Throwing a controlled spin (Read 1359 times)

ddzc · « **on:** January 28, 2008, 01:12:55 AM »

Hi all

I tried with a different method of bowling yesterday (I used to bowl suitcase style). I attempted a similar throw as the pros with a custom friends ball(hold ball with palm facing up and throwing it with a wrist spin). Thats how it looks as though anyway...

I had a nice spin on the ball but the ball just went straight with a big spin. I wasn't able to perform a curve from the side and towards the center.

How do you control the ball when throwing?

Also, what weight balls do the pros use and whats recommended?

Thanks

Edited on 1/28/2008 10:17 AM

dizzyfugu · « **Reply #1 on:** January 28, 2008, 09:20:53 AM »

ddzc, IMHO you better stay behind the ball with your hand when releasing it

With a spinner release you create much skid. The ball might rotate, and it is easy to put revs on a ball this way, but as you witnessed it is quite ineffective, especially on longer oil. On dry lanes, it is a good trick to have in store, but I'd hardly recommend it as a primary "attack". A ball with a low RG and a sanded surface might help create more ball recation, but I'd rather put more effort into a "forward" release where you keep the hand behind the ball, creating a more powerful and controllable roll.

Another option to create some hook out of this is play straight up close to the gutter, where on a THS more friction tends to be encountered. The ball might go long and then curve towards the pocket - it needs dry area to do so, and maybe even reduced speed.
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se7en · « **Reply #2 on:** January 28, 2008, 09:57:23 AM »

Sounds like you're getting all side rotation because you are turning the hand and wrist to make the ball spin, rather than stay behind it and turn through it with your fingers.
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Scolai · « **Reply #3 on:** January 28, 2008, 10:37:36 AM »

Quick question, ddzc:

How long have you been bowling? The absence of a profile requires me to ask before making any comment on your question.
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ddzc · « **Reply #4 on:** January 28, 2008, 10:51:30 AM »

Thanks for all of the responses,

Does anyone have a video link of how the throw is properly executed? Are you supposed to flick the fingers as opposed to the wrist? How do you place your fingers/thumb in the ball? You guys mentioned stay behind the ball.. I need to see some pictures of this or a video if you guys have one..

I'm obviously throwing it wrong...what seven stated is howing im throwing it by turning by wrist to perform the spin but its obviously not working no matter how hard the spin is, etc. I doubt it matters on the ball to a certain degree b/c I see people at the lanes pull these shots off no problem with the cheap house balls...

Scolai, i've been a casual bowler for yrs...but im starting to get more serious...

Thanks

Edited on 1/28/2008 11:53 AM

bhman79 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 28, 2008, 11:12:58 AM »

I like this video from Storm:

http://www.stormbowling.com/company/video.asp?towid_display=19&towdesc_display=Proper%20Wrist%20and%20Fore%20Arm%20Technique&towdate_display=1/17/2003

Dan Belcher · « **Reply #6 on:** January 28, 2008, 12:12:47 PM »

And no matter what else you learn about a good release, just remember that it's less about spinning the ball and more about rolling it. Some of that roll is side rotation, some of it is just forward roll. What creates that is your thumb coming out of the ball slightly before the fingers, which lets the fingers come up from the bottom of the ball and up the back/side of it. This rolls the balls off your hand cleanly and quickly and generates rotation. The best thing I can suggest is find a good coach in your area to work with you on your release -- there's no way really for someone to coach you on it very effectively without actually being there in person to help.

scotts33 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 28, 2008, 12:26:32 PM »

Ron Clifton's website is chock full of information. Tip 20 is about "The Release" w/ pics. Check it out. http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/tip20.htm

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Skizriz · « **Reply #8 on:** January 28, 2008, 02:45:09 PM »

Here is a great video from Nick's site.

http://askthebowler.com/hand_positions.html
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ddzc · « **Reply #9 on:** January 28, 2008, 04:35:33 PM »

Thanks a lot,

While on the same topic, I want to buy a ball so I can achieve this a bit better.

Whats the best way to ball shop? I also talked to a shop and theres three different types of drillng...what are the differences between the below:

Conventional drilling
Finger tip drilling
Sleeves with finger tip drilling

The above go from cheapest to most expensive drilling

Thanks

Scolai · « **Reply #10 on:** January 28, 2008, 05:00:00 PM »

quote:
Thanks a lot,

While on the same topic, I want to buy a ball so I can achieve this a bit better.

Go here, buy a relatively inexpensive used ball, fill it, drill it, and practice a bit. Then move up and buy a new ball with better performance. No need spending a wad of cash on a ball that you'll likely not want in about 2 months.

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Whats the best way to ball shop? I also talked to a shop and theres three different types of drillng...what are the differences between the below:

Conventional drilling

Ball is drilled so that the fingers are inserted to the second (middle) knuckle. Basically, it's how every house ball in an AMF center is drilled.

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Finger tip drilling

Fingers are inserted to the first knuckle, hence the term "fingertip". Much better for getting higher revolutions on the ball for the purpose of hooking it.

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Sleeves with finger tip drilling

No different from a fingertip drilling; there's just additional inserts in the ball. I might be wrong here, but I've not heard of this in my circles of conversation.

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The above go from cheapest to most expensive drilling

Thanks

Expense is a matter of what gets done. Punching holes in a ball runs $25-35, depending on who does it. Start throwing in things like thumb slugs, finger inserts, switch grips and the like, and the cost can get up to $55-75 in a hurry. Higher if you get switch grips.
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ddzc · « **Reply #11 on:** January 28, 2008, 09:56:46 PM »

thanks again

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