Author Topic: Throwing on PBA patterns (Read 3833 times)

MTFD24 · « **on:** May 28, 2004, 09:32:50 AM »

As the title states, the Transit Lanes Classic Shootout is being conducted using the PBA patterns. The fisrt 3-4 weeks was, and will be, pattern C. Brian Green from here is bowling weekly. I however am just subbing, and an old man

Scores for the 1st week were the lowest I have seen in 6-7 years of competing in this 12 week event. And go figure the top 3....1st Brad Angelo, 2nd Liz Johnson, 3rd Jack Jurek.

So as not to totally embaress myself, since I have not thrown a ball in almost a month, I went to the lanes this afternoon. To my surprise I was put down on the high end, and on a pair that has not been bowled on since oiling before Last Tuesday. So it was an "old" pattern C. Granted this will not be the ssame as a "fresh" pattern C, nor the same as crossing 4 pairs every game for 4 games, but it did give me a chance to see the difficulties the bowlers were facing.

If anyone wants more info on the shot, let me know. I will follow up, and I am sure Brian Green would be glad to add something from the "wrongside" as a young power player.
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shotmaker · « **Reply #1 on:** May 29, 2004, 08:40:13 AM »

I'm sure that bowling on these patterns is quite the challenge. Does the league have you switch pairs after each game too? If not the league still comes up a little short on re-creating what it's like to bowl PBA patterns. i'm sure that all the participants in this league are going to improve their game quite a bit during the course of the league. The thing about the PBA patterns is it forces you to throw the bowl well in order to score. Once you return to THS the difference will be quite impressive.

On a side note, the "C" pattern has been changed as of this week. If you would like to see the new "C" pattern go to the PBA site, Central Region, and click on the RPC (Merrillville) regional details. This pattern is really tough.

MTFD24 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 29, 2004, 09:04:37 AM »

The format is as follows:
3-4 bowlers on a pair (same group of bowlers on a pair each week)
Bowl 4 games qualifying, after each game skip 3 pairs, bowl on fourth pair.
Group starts on a different pair every week.
Last week top 18 made cut after 4 game total (cut was minus 13)
Those 18 then bowl 1 game, 2 bolwers on a lane, cut 1/2 field (not match play)
The 9 bowl another game (2 or 3 on pair), cut to top 5 high scores
The 5 bowl, 2 low eliminated.
3 bowl for top 3 prizes.

So you are using different pairs through qualifying, and they use different pairs during the cut-downs.

Not only are the conditions tough, but on wood lanes due to be resurfaced. Then you have the quality of bowlers like Brad Angelo, Tom Baker, Joe Ciccone, Jack Jurek, Bruce Heim, Dave Guindon, Liz Johnson, etc etc.

It tests your abilities, repetition, versatility, and so forth. Yes, it should improve ones game once you go back to the THS, and should increase your confidence if you do well against those caliber bowlers as well.

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Pizzaguy · « **Reply #3 on:** May 29, 2004, 11:49:46 AM »

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As the title states, the Transit Lanes Classic Shootout is being conducted using the PBA patterns. The fisrt 3-4 weeks was, and will be, pattern C. Brian Green from here is bowling weekly. I however am just subbing, and an old man

Can you just show up and bowl, or is this a league-type event? Also, what night is it on? I'm from Rochester and may be interested in participating some weeks.

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MTFD24 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 29, 2004, 08:15:03 PM »

This is more of a "mini summer league" but they do take walk-ins on a weekly basis as lane availability permits. Tuesday nites at Transit Lanes and bowling as at 7:00 PM (shadow at 6:45). You can contact them via their website:
http://www.transitlanes.com

This is quite a test of your physical and mental skills, as well as a way to guage yourself against some of the best.
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Brian Green · « **Reply #5 on:** May 31, 2004, 11:17:24 PM »

after bowling on the condition for 2 weeks i can attest that it is very tough.... i am coming off of averaging 216 in a house shot league in oakfield ny and let me tell ya its very humbling to bowl in this league...... but i wanted to work on my game and get better so i got exactly what i asked for.....

I am a lefty so this evaluation may be a lil misleading just because there are alot more rightys than leftys...... on the leftys i have seen they are all playing around the 10 board and playin straight up.... I however have a lot more hand that the leftys that i have seen bowl.... and i am forced to play inside.... for me its very over-under from out near 10..... for me i am playing around 4th arrow with a retro ressurection swinging to 10.... for the first 2 games the lanes are a little tricky for me..... but for the second 2 games the condition sets up really nice and if i oculd just get that reaction the first 2 games i would probably make the cut.......

all in all the league is exactly what i wanted to bowl in.... granted i am averaging 160 or so buti can tell ya.... when its all said and done i will become a better bowler because of it......

MTFD24 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 01, 2004, 12:50:11 AM »

Brian you will do fine, as you adjust to the shots, and learn to play this beaten down old wood house. Look forward to competing tonite....and remember clean backends and the house likes the hits a tad lighter.
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billstarken1 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 02, 2004, 12:39:37 PM »

Brian, remember one thing the key to bowling on the lower scoring "PBA Patterns" is keeping the ball in play. Look at who won on Pattern C last year, Jaros won twice. With that pattern and that center your most important ball you bring will be your spare ball. The cut probably will stay around even or so. Pick your spares, keep the ball in play and you will be fine. Forget about Oakfield, spares are what will make the difference. Straight is great on the left side (and you know what I think about left handers, just kidding)

charlest · « **Reply #8 on:** June 02, 2004, 01:40:31 PM »

Brian,

I can sympathize with you. I'm in a PBA Shot league this Summer. We had patterns A, B, C in weeks 1, 2, 3. Anyone trying to swing the ball, no matter ho wmuch hand you have or think you have (and we have some major crankers) failed miserably. The only ball path that seemed to work ... so far ... is direct ones or very small swings, like 4 boards MAX.

Our shots were set up by teams directly from the Kegel people, using one of their newer (as far as I know) machines which the owner bought last Fall. The patterns were set up for our lane surface: Guardian overlay to just past the arrows and old wood from arrows to the pin deck.

We get carrydown that requires adjustment around the middle of the first game of the 4. We have 4 people per pair; it's single head to head competition and we changes lanes and opponents each game.

I tried to swing the ball 6 of my first 8 games and failed miserably. Played down the 2nd arrow with a very mild ball, the SlayR, my 7th and 8th games and shot around 200. This week I used another mild pear and played around the 8/9 board, with a very small swing, maybe 2 boards; won all 4 games and shot 770 and was thrilled to do that.

So far the only astounding part is each of patterns A, B, and C, as laid out by Kegel had HUGE backend. My very mild control ball had much more hook than I expected.
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Ragnar · « **Reply #9 on:** June 02, 2004, 01:49:16 PM »

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So far the only astounding part is each of patterns A, B, and C, as laid out by Kegel had HUGE backend. My very mild control ball had much more hook than I expected.
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Charlest, I'm also finding more backend on the PBA patterns than I expected; a lot more. I find that, because of this, I'm shooting a large number of both 4 pins and 9 pins. I have one ball with a 315 layout that seems to tame the backends more than anything else in my bag, at least that I've tried so far.
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #10 on:** June 02, 2004, 02:12:33 PM »

That's the point, little blending of pattern, harsh tranistion from wet to dry.

Everyone can hook it, except on Pattern B and 50 foot pattern. Striking is easy there is so much backend. Hitting the pocket flush is hard.

Drilling setups are about midlane and breakpoint control, and smoothing the backend on most patterns!

REgards,

Luckylefty

charlest · « **Reply #11 on:** June 02, 2004, 03:25:54 PM »

Lucky and plantandheave,

once again, I feel I must remind you that drillings are not the be-all and end-all of balls. The right ball means so much more than the right drilling. I will preach that til my dying day.

My best balls for the PBA shots so far are my SlayR and my Revolution Vengeance. The SlayR has a 5x5 drilling with the pin under the middle of the bridge - hardly a control drilling for a ball that many say is skid/flip; however I disagree very strongly with that premise.

My Vengeance is also drilled strongly: pin under the ring finger and CG in grip center. HOWEVER, the ball has an RG range of 2.61 - 2.65 and RG differential of .033.

The important thing is that they both act as control balls with minimal backends, based on 2 factors: their basic designs and the way I am throwing them for this league. I think that is the bottom line.

IF, however, you start out with a ball that is not a control ball, you have to turn it into one via surface changes AND drilling parameters. Then, and only then, does drilling come into play: forcing a ball to be what is not in its basic nature, BUT is within its range of capabilities: such as 315 degree drillings or 2x5 drillings and the like.

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Brian Green · « **Reply #12 on:** June 02, 2004, 10:59:52 PM »

control drillings are whaT is needed(like everyone said) now that i have a control ball its a whole new ball game....... maybe next week i will be a little closer to the cut........

MTFD24 · « **Reply #13 on:** June 02, 2004, 11:20:06 PM »

Brian is going to do just fine....10 more weeks to go. And everyone is correct about control drillings, and that should also be on weaker equipment for pattern C, IMHO. Having had the opportunity to sub last night, this old man found the lanes to be as expected. Having not bowled in over a month, I was just happy to have two solid games, the last 2...LMAO.

The ideal shot (right side) seemed to be as Charlest stated...down the boards between 5-12, with maybe a touch of swing if any. Not expecting to make the cut against the likes of Angelo, Baker, etc. etc., especially after an opening game with 4 splits, it afforded me the opportunity to experiment.

Finding the pocket was no problem, but finding the right entry angle consistently is. I could move in and out using any of three balls (SS Pearl, ScreamR, SonicX pearl) and find a shot, including 20 at the arrows to 10. But what would strike one shot would washout the next with any extra speed or if you hit 9 at the breakpoint. So CONSISTENCY & REPETITION is also a premium on pattern C. The easiest line on this, for myself, but not my favorite line by any means, was taking the SonicX and playing 10 to 8.

I hope to get a chance to redeem myself shortly, and destroy that young wrongsider whippersnapper for all us old rightsiders

See ya shortly Brian, and you will make match play!!!!!!!!!!
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24 is not my age, IQ, or bowling average, but my firematic number, at least I think that what it is

Brian Green · « **Reply #14 on:** June 03, 2004, 07:08:39 PM »

i know i iwll make it into match play...... its just a matter of time.....

see ya tues

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