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Jeffrevs

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Slowing Down
« on: September 15, 2004, 07:18:52 AM »
Hey all....

I know this has been discussed numerous time, however........since we can't search past 30 days anymore ....

Sounds kind of stupid,...but.....a slower first step and lower starting position with the ball should do it......yes ?!  Is it really that simple ?!

Mind you...everything else being done correctly too

Thanks............
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Ragnar

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Re: Slowing Down
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2004, 03:51:15 PM »
Jeff, lower the ball - yes.  Slower step - I'm not so sure.  When I do that it just buggers up my timing, doesn't really slow me down.  To slow down I start with the ball lower, move forward on the approach to shorten my steps, and (maybe) will  go to a fifth step instead of four.  I think shorter steps work better for me than slower steps.  Could just be me though.
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Jeffrevs

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Re: Slowing Down
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2004, 03:55:10 PM »
thanks Rags.....

I'm just referring to my first step (5) step approach to be a little slower to help set the pace so-to-speak......
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Re: Slowing Down
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2004, 03:58:46 PM »
That I understood.  All I'm saying is that when I mess with the speed of any of my steps my timing goes to poop.  For you, it could work and I could be the oddball here (how very odd that would be, don't you think?)

Give shortening things up a bit a try and see how it feels.  At times I've been as close as 4 feet to the foul line, forcing my behemoth frame into four tiny little steps. (who might that remind you of?)
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Re: Slowing Down
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2004, 04:17:15 PM »
Jeff, it suddenly dawned on me, we may be talking of two different things here.  Do you mean slowing down ball speed? Or approach speed?  While the two are related I think there may well be differing ways of attacking each.  Seems to me that the only ways I manipulate ball speed is the position of the ball in my set-up coupled with arm extension in set-up.  I'll go from down below my hips (very slow, for me) to about shoulder level (last game of an 8 or 10 game block at Silver Lanes in Spokane [or most other places].  I also move the ball further from my torso when I want to generate more speed.  My fastest ball starts at about shoulder level with my arms nearly fully extended; no pushaway, just drop.  

To slow approach speed I crowd the foul line.  This will, to some extent, slow the ball, but I do it mainly to slow my trip to the line for timing purposes.
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Re: Slowing Down
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2004, 04:29:24 PM »
Hey Jeff,

Typically speaking, slowing down the footwork should help you slow down your approach which in turn helps slow the ball speed down also.  Lowering the ball to decrease ball speed only works if the bowler has a pretty good pendulum and doesn't muscle.  If he/she muscles the ball in the swing, the backswing height can return to normal regardless of where they start the ball.  

My recommended way to slow down naturally without messing around with your timing is to move up on the approach so your steps decrease in proportionate increments.  This is what we discussed a while back on the "deliberate" motion concept.  Give me a holler if you want to discuss further bud.

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Re: Slowing Down
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2004, 10:45:36 PM »
Hey Jeff,
Tuesday night was the first time bowling since Reno in May. I kept tugging left during the first game. 166. Just trying to get back into the flow. Second game I realized I had fast feet. Went to a very slow first step(increasing my foot speed as approaching the foul line) but raised the ball at the beginning of my approach(to keep up ball speed). A vey deliberate push-away on the first step.
Finished with 209 & 200. Many 10 pins in those games.
So for me the slow steps give me stability up to the line while helping me keep timing and accuracy what it should be. Height of the ball (or lack of it) helps me increase or decrease ball speed.
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Re: Slowing Down
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2004, 02:56:24 AM »
Jeff - My concern about lowering the ball would be the ball getting to the line too soon.
If yuo armswing is a good free swiong then stareting it in a lower position will decrease the height of your backswing. Which means a decrease in the length of the swing.
The ball will get through your swing faster making your feet seem faster.
If you also slow your feet down you exacerbate this ball too early problem.

Lower your ball, but just let your feet go. You can have a short free swing and still move your feet at a good rate and not throw the ball harder.
Just look at old shots of Holman's. Really relatively short armswing with faster feet and that incredibly long slide.

Actually if you can get your slide longer without throwing yourself off it will automatically make your timing better.
The entire time you are in your slide you should be in position to execute a good shot. A longer slide equals a larger window for your swing to catch up to your feet if you move your feet too fast.

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