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xrayjay

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thumb exit a bit early
« on: January 09, 2016, 06:16:43 AM »
how can I delay the exit of the thumb as I release the ball?

I've been taught to have my thumb exit the thumb hole right by my ankle. When I'm struggling, or not getting the ball further past the foul line, the thumb starts to exit just behind the heel. While most bowlers thumb exit the hole around the toes and several inches past the slide foot.

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Re: thumb exit a bit early
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2016, 06:35:03 PM »
I don't knuckle the ball, have no tearing, and have no need to use Hada tape for protection. I do however sometimes use Hada tape to just to snug up the thumb. 
 
For whatever reason, the tape doesn't always stick well, even prepping my thumb with an alcohol wipe. It's the nature of different skin types. I've seen this with others who are very good bowlers and otherwise exit cleanly. 
 
Someone here mentioned a while back that prepping with Benzoin Tincture will do the trick, regardless of skin type. I bought a small bottle and the stuff is magic. You can get it cheap on Amazon if you need additional stick on the thumb.

That's ironic. I originally had trouble with Hada tape and was recommended the Benzoin tincture. While it helped, what helped more was going to the individually cut strips (vs the whole tape which you had ot cut into pieces yourself.) I think the individual pieces used a different glue. Currently I use both Hada (Vise brand) and Turbo Skin Protection Fitting Tape.
Neither come off my thumb.

I originally used it to help with my thumb release, but it has protected my thumb so much that I have virtually no calluses on my right thumb at all. If  bowler looked at my hand without knowing who I was or what I did, he'd never suspect I was a bowler. (Some people say that anyway, but that's another problem. :( )
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Re: thumb exit a bit early
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2016, 07:36:34 PM »
I understand that some bowlers don't have problems with the Hada type tape staying in place. My only point is that not all bowlers who have tape sticking issues can point to bad thumb release as the reason. There are about 6 of us in our Scratch league who go through the ritual of applying Benzoin Tincture before thumb tape, and all have decent releases.
 
I use Vise Hada (both Blue and Grey) individually cut pieces. I also use Master Momentum tape (blue) when I prefer something a little thicker. I find the Master tape sticks better and I probably don't need Tincture for it, but I use Tincture ahead of time for all tape anyway. Just a recommendation for anyone having the tape stick problem.

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Re: thumb exit a bit early
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2016, 07:41:09 PM »
Hada has become a mask for some not all but some.  More and more use it and that is very telling. 

I see very few pro's on tour use it....hmmmmm food for thought.   ;D
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Re: thumb exit a bit early
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2016, 07:55:54 PM »
James it generally relates to your timing as well as wrist position at the bottom...you tend to get early and your wrist wants to break down...thus the support is gone and gripping occurs
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Re: thumb exit a bit early
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2016, 08:09:48 PM »
Hada has become a mask for some not all but some.  More and more use it and that is very telling. 

I see very few pro's on tour use it....hmmmmm food for thought.   ;D

 
I'm mostly in agreement. There are certainly some bowlers who use Hada tape to mask problems with span, pitches or whatever.
 
I personally use nothing on the thumb about 70% of the time. It's only when I'd rather not add another piece to the front that I'll apply thumb tape on the back. The Master Momentum tape is especially good for this purpose. 
 
As far as pros, don't underestimate the number who apply some protection, even if it's not tape. One day in the paddock at the Senior US Open last year, Norm Duke was frantically asking around for skin patch that he had run out of. There were several others I saw, across the different squads, who applied patch ahead of time. Bowling lots and lots of games over several successive days can be a whole different thing.
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Re: thumb exit a bit early
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2016, 01:49:22 PM »
James it generally relates to your timing as well as wrist position at the bottom...you tend to get early and your wrist wants to break down...thus the support is gone and gripping occurs

+1

I'll be working on it and update in a couple weeks. This is one part of the game I have had a hard time getting this movement down. In past sports, I've always been able to adapt to different movements, especially form one Art to another - techniques were very different. But I adjusted.

But this bowling swing, it is short in distance, but miles away from getting it right.
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Re: thumb exit a bit early
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2016, 02:25:51 PM »
You might also want to "round out" your pushaway a little. Extending the pushaway
until the elbow locks will often make you top heavy. This results in the feet chasing the ball. It causes bowlers to over-accelerate step # 3 (for  5-steppers). This will often
result in the ball feeling suddenly much heavier ( causing a slingshot effect on the downswing). In turn, a bowler will actually attempt to grab the ball harder in order
NOT to drop it. Unfortunately, there aren't that many folks who have strong enough wrists to be able to hold onto the ball .  Rounding out the pushaway motion keeps your center of gravity centered under your legs, and it results in less grip pressure being needed throughout the swing cycle. This, along with a properly fitted ball, will minimize
 those early "dropsies" at release and your swing timing will be more in sync with your feet.  It takes some time and patience because it will feel different at first, but this is true with any change.

Otherwise, your overall game looks really good!

Best of luck to you.

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Re: thumb exit a bit early
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2016, 10:24:19 PM »
Trust I've worked on this with him a few times...
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Re: thumb exit a bit early
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2016, 10:25:53 PM »
He got very good advice by the looks of his form.

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Re: thumb exit a bit early
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2016, 10:40:20 PM »
Boy, wish I had of bought into the tape business.  Most bowlers  are always looking for some"gimmick" to make themselves better or to at least have an excuse for their lack of talent.   I've heard a thousand excuses as to "thumb problems".  None hold water.  Most are just ill fitting balls, the others are just "out of time" wanna be type bowlers looking for an excuse.  Tape and Wrist supports are the crutches of modern bowling.  They are used to cover up bad fitting balls, weak wrists, and poor technique.

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Re: thumb exit a bit early
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2016, 11:31:27 PM »
Tape is NOT a crutch...if you actually believe you have digits that NEVER change in size due to atmospheric changes or salt content...well some may have minimal change in their size in the grip but tape is NOT a crutch...nor is wrist support...the wrists and ankles are the weakest joints in the body...thus why they're called supports
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Re: thumb exit a bit early
« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2016, 11:41:40 PM »
Boy, wish I had of bought into the tape business.  Most bowlers  are always looking for some"gimmick" to make themselves better or to at least have an excuse for their lack of talent.   I've heard a thousand excuses as to "thumb problems".  None hold water.  Most are just ill fitting balls, the others are just "out of time" wanna be type bowlers looking for an excuse.  Tape and Wrist supports are the crutches of modern bowling.  They are used to cover up bad fitting balls, weak wrists, and poor technique.

What's the address to your Proshop? Maybe you can check my span and give me a few tips too coach. I will travel. i sure need some help, and learning from an Internet sensation like yourself will be an honor.
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Re: thumb exit a bit early
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2016, 11:53:59 PM »

What's the address to your Proshop? Maybe you can check my span and give me a few tips too coach. I will travel. i sure need some help, and learning from an Internet sensation like yourself will be an honor.

 
He's suffering from a terminal case of bitter bowler syndrome. Don't read anything more into his posts.  ::)

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Re: thumb exit a bit early
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2016, 11:22:35 AM »
People.......You guys don't remember bullred from the rolltech commercial?
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Re: thumb exit a bit early
« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2016, 12:18:18 PM »
It's funny how many guys that do NOT have actual pro shops on here or any other social media sites come across as fricking knowledgeable...
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