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ShortAssassin

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Thumb Exit Timing?
« on: August 14, 2008, 05:01:25 AM »
I have trouble with knuckling the ball and in the past I tried a tighter thumb hole via tape/magic carpet, but I always hung up on my release. Now I'm wondering if that was merely an issue with when my thumb exits the ball, as opposed to the thumb hole being to tight. At what point is the thumb supposed to exit the ball?
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Re: Thumb Exit Timing?
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2008, 01:31:25 PM »
it sounds like you are grabing it. your thumb should exit the ball first and ideally it should do so just when you finish your slide. if you are grabbing then you are prolly getting your arm swing ahead of you.

Also it sould be a pitch issue. what is your thumb pitches and span?
to much reverse would cause that also.
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ShortAssassin

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Re: Thumb Exit Timing?
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2008, 01:45:46 PM »
Oh I 100% am grabbing it, theres no question as to that lol.

Unfortunately, since this is my first ball and I was just beginning to bowl when I got it, I don't know my thumb pitches or my span. Had I been more knowledgeable when I got it drilled I would have asked for that info.
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Thumb Exit Timing?
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2008, 01:56:22 PM »
First ball and you KNOW you are grabbing it?  You sound like a very educated beginner.

I'd offer you help if I could but I believe you may be beyond me in knowledge and most others also.

REgards,

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Re: Thumb Exit Timing?
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2008, 02:00:43 PM »
Sorry if that came off as arrogant, I didn't mean it to.

I've had the ball for roughly a year and as I stated in my first post I realized that my thumb hole was too big and that I was knuckling the ball and tried to fix it. However, any attempt at tape/magic carpet ended up failing. I just now realized that it could be a problem with my release though, so I decided to ask about that.
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boomtown24

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Re: Thumb Exit Timing?
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2008, 02:04:51 PM »
LL, there is no need for that, either offer him help or callate!
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Re: Thumb Exit Timing?
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2008, 02:31:34 PM »
ShortAssasin

  When you get your grip correct "magic" will happen:
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5. Your rev rate will go up
6. Your targeting at both your mark and break point will improve

This is what you can expect. However, it is highly unlikely that you can get there in just one step. Thats why the game takes time to learn. "Small steps".. and when you get there you will know it.
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ShortAssassin

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Re: Thumb Exit Timing?
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2008, 02:40:31 PM »
At this point I think that getting a new ball is necessary, or getting my current thumb hole re-drilled. So if I go to do that, what do I need to tell/ask the driller? Do I just tell him that I'm knuckling/grabbing the ball, and that when I tried tape my thumb hung up in the hole?
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Thumb Exit Timing?
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2008, 02:55:13 PM »
I do have some ideas and will I guess muse them out here.

Bad timing ie thumb fingers coming out the same time when the thumb is very tight....

To speed the release or lead time of the thumb out of the ball additional front bevel can help a lot(mo pinel bevel tips really help here).  More reverse PITCH in the thumb can get the thumb out faster earlier also.  A lot of these problems can be alleviaed by getting a great pro shop guy who is well known for great fit and ALSO one who watches you throw on the rug or alley after his fix!  The money spent for a great pro like this is worth it's weight in gold(I am not in the business!).

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Re: Thumb Exit Timing?
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2008, 03:02:03 PM »
Interesting. Someone mentioned that too much reverse pitch could actually be whats causing me to knuckle the ball, since it may be causing my thumb to slide out and thus I grab the ball to prevent that. I guess going to a driller is the thing to do at this point. Hopefully I can just get a new slug in my current ball instead of having to buy a new one or anything.
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ShortAssassin

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Re: Thumb Exit Timing?
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2008, 03:04:02 PM »
Interesting. Someone actually mentioned to much reverse pitch as a possible cause of my grabbing the ball. Their logic was that if my thumb is sliding out due to the pitch, I will grab naturally to prevent the ball from falling. I guess at this point going to a driller is the only thing to do.
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ShortAssassin

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Re: Thumb Exit Timing?
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2008, 04:54:35 PM »
So I went to a driller. He put in a new slug and drilled an oval thumb hole for me. It's definitely tighter, but I still feel the need to squeeze with my thumb, which concerns me, because it will cause blistering since the hole is smaller. I asked about pitch, but he said that we should only consider it as a last resort, and that I should try this out first. So I'm bowling later tonight and will report back my findings.

Edited on 8/14/2008 5:09 PM
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mrbowlingnut

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Re: Thumb Exit Timing?
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2008, 05:25:08 PM »
Went to 1/8 forward from 1/8 reverse thumb pitch with trial and error, best bowling move I have ever made. What works for me will not be your answer but pitches could be the whole problem forcing you to knuckle.
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ShortAssassin

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Re: Thumb Exit Timing?
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2008, 05:49:58 PM »
Yeah, that's why I was a little surprised when he said not to worry about them yet.

Question: If I still feel the need to knuckle, is the hole too big? Or could it be that I just don't trust myself not ot?
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Jay

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Re: Thumb Exit Timing?
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2008, 06:06:26 PM »
I'm dealing with almost the same problem.  I have to knuckle the ball a bit but even then I can get out of the ball clean most of the time.  I have one ball I need to change the pitch on for sure, but my other two I would normally roll when it matters are 1/8 forward and 1/4 forward pitch.  My practice ball is the same as the balls I need to change, which are all 0 pitch.  Even the 1/4 forward ball doesn't quite stay on my hand unless the thumb hole is really tight and even then it's a little iffy.

But here's a suggestion. Hold the ball like you would in your stance with something like a couch or bed directly in front of you.  Completely relax your bowling hand, do a pushaway, and completely relax your arm to let gravity control the swing.  The ball will very likely fall off your hand almost right away and land on the couch/bed.  In the event that you think the ball will actually stay on your hand for any amount of the backswing, better put some pillows on the ground behind you and find something that you can use to stop the ball from rolling into something damage it.  This is what I do and personally the ball doesn't reach the backswing as it falls of pretty much immediately.

It's a decent way to test your fit without hurting anything and you can do that each time you make an adjustment to our fit if you're afraid to drop the ball on the approach.
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