Author Topic: How do I generate "push" ???? (Read 1426 times)

louie · « **on:** July 13, 2005, 02:10:18 PM »

I'm a stand left and throw right kind of bowler. What I notice is that my ball usually crosses the arrows at the 12 to 17 board. I usually send the ball out to a breakpoint in the 5 to ten board range. When this line is playable, I usually score quite well. If the outside part of the lane is too dry, this shot goes away. I need to move my target deeper and play a breakpoint more in the 10 to 15 board range to avoid all of that dry. My problem is that I can't go deeper with my feet. (The ball returnis in the way.) If I stand against the ball return and roll the ball over the middle arrow the ball won't get far enough right unless the lanes are flooded. I see other heavy handed players play deep on the same lanes. Their balls seem to have a natural motion to the right until about 2/3 of the way down the lane and then they hit the breakpoint and crush the rack. My ball hooks ten feet before theirs does. I throw 16-17 mph on Qubica. What am I doing wrong? Why can't I get that pretty slide/pause/smash? Help!!
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DP3 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 13, 2005, 11:47:49 PM »

"Push" is generated by TRUST. Move your eyes/target IN from what you're looking at and about 10-15 feet father down the lane. Extend through the shot whether you are thumbless or not and practice at it. It'll come along.
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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #2 on:** July 14, 2005, 02:50:05 AM »

DP3 is right. Aiming farther down the lane should give some more length for your ball, as well as a clean follow through which helps you stay behind the ball and impart more forward roll, which adds to length, too.

Maybe breaking back your wrist a bit will also create more length in the ball, since it will alter the hook. This works fine for me in a house with a short X-mas tree pattern and dry outside boards. I can play there with my A game only when the lane is fresh, after 3-4 games the line becomes toast and I end up standing between 32 and 40th board, playing across area behind 3rd arrow (for length, see above). The rack becomes a topic for me, too, and the ball, normally a polished Trauma or Eraser Particle Pearl, becomes spasmic.
I then change my release by breaking back the wrist and holding the ball higher for speed, lining up at 29th board and still playing 3rd arrow. The ball reaction changes from a sharp hook across the lane to a wide, controllable arc, yet with much power in the pins through ball rotation.

Could be an option to experiment with for you, too?
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Edited on 7/14/2005 2:44 AM

Pinbuster · « **Reply #3 on:** July 14, 2005, 07:15:34 AM »

I donâ€™t know if I want to get into this bucket of worms.

Most likely the other bowlers you are watching are drifting left on their approach. So they end up further left at the foul line. Most stand left and throw right players drift left and open their shoulders so that they can get enough angle on the right hand lane to project the ball to the break point.

The ball will try to travel down a straight line from where you lay it down thru an intermediate target like the arrows. It will continue down that line until friction (and assuming you throw hook spin) will cause the ball to start to move left.

Opening your shoulders allows you to throw at an intermediate target that is further to the right from your put down point but really doesnâ€™t produce push it just allows a more extreme angle to be played from your put down point.

It would be the same as you going onto the left lane and standing in the next approach with square shoulders to the line you want to go down.

Dry heads can cause your ball to start hooking early so that you miss your target inside.

Different releases can cause the ball to hook earlier or later as well.

Mike Austin · « **Reply #4 on:** July 14, 2005, 07:47:16 AM »

Bowling PBA Regionals and tournaments has forced me to learn a 3 step approach so that I can stand in front of the ball return. Sometimes you have to play there even when there is plenty of oil, THS is nothing like PBA conditions. Last night I practiced this for about 1.5 hours. Got as deep as 64 with my feet and looking at 32 at the arrows. Threw 10 in a row once last night, they were hooking a little!

Even though, DP3 is still right, even if playing in front of the ball return. You still want to be "soft" or "quiet" with your hand, don't hit up on the ball so hard. Try to keep your target down the lane, maybe as far as 40 feet, most people cannot do this, but it is easy with some practice. This will help you project the ball through the front, and not screw the ball into the lane, like many stand left, throw right bowlers do.

Also try thinking about keeping your and open during release, palm up, all fingers straight out, this might help you not catch the ball so much at the bottom.

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star · « **Reply #5 on:** July 14, 2005, 08:36:34 AM »

I dont know if you have seen Tore Torgerson bowl.
He starts over on the right side of the lane facing the left channel.
He then walks in a straight line to that channel where he then opens up his body to right and rolls the ball over 4th to 5th arrow. While his feet are level with the left gutter.
Difficult thing to master I would think but if you practice it enough it takes the ball return out of play.
I dont have that kind of hand but Ive played around trying it and after a couple of games was hitting the pocket regularly.
May be worth a try if all else fails.
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Goof1073 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 14, 2005, 09:22:39 AM »

It could also be your release / tilt making the ball read earlier than the other guys.
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louie · « **Reply #7 on:** July 14, 2005, 02:52:37 PM »

Thanx for the replies! I think it's more my roll more that anything else. I track really high and the ball reads dry very early and abruptly. I probably need to change my roll to get more length. I need to lower my track a couple of inches.
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louie

Big Columbia · « **Reply #8 on:** July 14, 2005, 03:06:26 PM »

How about getting a less aggressive bowl, that away you won't have to make so many unnecessary changes......

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Goof1073 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 14, 2005, 03:20:43 PM »

Beyond you're roll it could also be the ball itself and it's drilling.

What ball are you trying to use and how is it drilled?
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louie · « **Reply #10 on:** July 14, 2005, 10:03:01 PM »

I was using an Ego and a polished Black sparkle Power groove on fresh oil. Both balls were drilled label. I could have gone to a dry lane ball and played more direct, but that often gives me carry problems. There was oil enough for the balls I was throwing, but the track area in this house plays really dry. I need to play deeper. It can be done. I just need to learn how to do it when my wide breakpoint isn't a good option.
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louie

TheDude · « **Reply #11 on:** July 15, 2005, 01:16:02 AM »

changing your tilt can help alot as well. moving your index finger downward, pointing straight down or even inside towards your ankle.
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