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Hogsharley

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Time to dump the USBC
« on: May 18, 2016, 07:50:36 PM »
In August our league is most likely going to vote to dump the USBC. The USBC has done nothing for us. Our secretary has put in for some awards and we never get them. We have called the local chapter and still no resolutions. The secretary and other officers are on board with leaving the USBC and we'll still get our awards, even if you already have a rings.

 The league would act on it's own. The money that we would pay to the USBC will be placed in an awards fund and anyone that shoots an honor score will get a ring. We have about 100 bowlers so at $20 a head, we will have around 2 G's for awards. We can buy a lot of rings for 2 G's. Whatever monies that don't get used will be placed back into the general prize fund. It a win, win for our league.

 Leagues used to sanction in order to get awards. Basically now there are no more awards so why keep the USBC. It's time to dump the USBC. I hope more leagues start thinking about leaving them too. Hit 'em where it hurts. Their wallets. Maybe they will get the hint.

 

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Re: Time to dump the USBC
« Reply #46 on: May 20, 2016, 07:18:24 AM »
I'd pay more for membership myself.  If the USBC should fail then the game falls to the proprietors.  That is not a scenario that will have a positive outcome.

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Re: Time to dump the USBC
« Reply #47 on: May 20, 2016, 09:04:38 AM »
IMHO, I don't see how you intend on growing the sport when at the same time you're cutting incentives for people to want to join your organization. I, as an experienced bowler understand only giving out one award per lifetime for 300 & 800 achievements but to leave out at least acknowledging the league bowler for major milestones like 11 in a row or 290 games is just ridiculous. I shot 295 last year and 290 twice and for that not to at least be recognized says that my hard work on improving my game is for nothing. What does that say for the beginner who may never achieve a perfect game? I guess he is just bowling for nothing. The awards give the average participant an incentive to bowl. But there is a flip side to the coin. The bowlers themselves. I don't know about your area but where I'm from the house kings cry and whine when they don't get the shot that they want. The novice or average bowler don't stand a chance against them. I have seen times when the house put down a more difficult shot and they scream and cry all season long vowing to never come back. The average player in most cases has the advantage on these shots and it makes the game fun for them. No one likes getting crushed week in and week out by the same people that exploit the shot given to them. Next season they don't come back. Thus even more decline.

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Re: Time to dump the USBC
« Reply #48 on: May 20, 2016, 09:56:07 AM »
Looking back, it was probably a mistake for ABC to ever get into the awards business as far as high value rings etc go.  When I first started bowling league there were lots of houses that put up hundreds of dollars themselves for 300 games.  Most quit this business in the early 70's.   If bowlers from day one had gotten recognition in record books and a nice certificate for award scores it would have probably been better.   

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Re: Time to dump the USBC
« Reply #49 on: May 20, 2016, 10:39:13 AM »
Looking back, it was probably a mistake for ABC to ever get into the awards business as far as high value rings etc go.  When I first started bowling league there were lots of houses that put up hundreds of dollars themselves for 300 games.  Most quit this business in the early 70's.   If bowlers from day one had gotten recognition in record books and a nice certificate for award scores it would have probably been better.   

Agree.  I have a hole-in-one as a member of the USGA.  Know what I got?  A piece of paper recognizing the achievement.  Nothing else.

And bowlers can still get the trinket awards for the incremental achievements (100 pins over, etc.).  They are provided by the local association.  I received something this year for a 299 and 300 from the local association. 

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Re: Time to dump the USBC
« Reply #50 on: May 20, 2016, 10:44:19 AM »
Looking back, it was probably a mistake for ABC to ever get into the awards business as far as high value rings etc go.  When I first started bowling league there were lots of houses that put up hundreds of dollars themselves for 300 games.  Most quit this business in the early 70's.   If bowlers from day one had gotten recognition in record books and a nice certificate for award scores it would have probably been better.

You're right about that. But I think most would be happy with that idea now as long as  there is some sort of recognition and recording of the accomplishment that others could see.

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Re: Time to dump the USBC
« Reply #51 on: May 20, 2016, 10:45:57 AM »
What better reward is there than winning? 
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Re: Time to dump the USBC
« Reply #52 on: May 20, 2016, 11:22:18 AM »
What better reward is there than winning?

Nobody wins all the time!!! And if you want to grow the sport there has to be incentive for those that don't win all the time to stay in it.

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Re: Time to dump the USBC
« Reply #53 on: May 20, 2016, 11:41:22 AM »
What better reward is there than winning?

Nobody wins all the time!!! And if you want to grow the sport there has to be incentive for those that don't win all the time to stay in it.

I don't win all the time, but winning itself is an incentive.
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Re: Time to dump the USBC
« Reply #54 on: May 20, 2016, 11:48:02 AM »
What better reward is there than winning?

Nobody wins all the time!!! And if you want to grow the sport there has to be incentive for those that don't win all the time to stay in it.

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Re: Time to dump the USBC
« Reply #55 on: May 20, 2016, 12:30:14 PM »
Just my opinion of course but most of us here are good bowlers.  Maybe not 210+ but probably 180+ in most cases.  And most of the members of USBC are not.

They are 140-175 bowlers who dream about a 200 and a 300 is an imaginary place they will probably never get to.

I have bowled with bowlers who averaged 135 for the year and will never get better.  She loves to bowl but just rolls her 12 lb ball straight down the middle with maybe 3-4 revs end over end.  Her high game had been 188 and she had bowled for 10 years.  Well she had her lucky game and shot 212.  For her, she was on cloud 9.  Bowling for 10 years and she finally bowled a 200. 

That's the person we should remember when we are here arguing about awards.  She got the local assn award for 200 and 75 pins over average.  And she was so proud and happy when she got them. 

She will probably never throw what we consider an honor score.  For her, 200 was her honor score.

And there are way more of her type of bowlers that there are of us.  As I have stated before; in reading a lot of these comments here, I see a lot of "WHAT DO I GET"? 

Well maybe we should all be looking at what does everyone get and quit being so selfish.

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Re: Time to dump the USBC
« Reply #56 on: May 20, 2016, 01:02:07 PM »
Just my opinion of course but most of us here are good bowlers.  Maybe not 210+ but probably 180+ in most cases.  And most of the members of USBC are not.

They are 140-175 bowlers who dream about a 200 and a 300 is an imaginary place they will probably never get to.

I have bowled with bowlers who averaged 135 for the year and will never get better.  She loves to bowl but just rolls her 12 lb ball straight down the middle with maybe 3-4 revs end over end.  Her high game had been 188 and she had bowled for 10 years.  Well she had her lucky game and shot 212.  For her, she was on cloud 9.  Bowling for 10 years and she finally bowled a 200. 

That's the person we should remember when we are here arguing about awards.  She got the local assn award for 200 and 75 pins over average.  And she was so proud and happy when she got them. 

She will probably never throw what we consider an honor score.  For her, 200 was her honor score.

And there are way more of her type of bowlers that there are of us.  As I have stated before; in reading a lot of these comments here, I see a lot of "WHAT DO I GET"? 

Well maybe we should all be looking at what does everyone get and quit being so selfish.

Bingo! The vast majority of our members have been leaving every year for over a decade and no one seems to care. You guys and the USBC need to come down from your penthouse and think about the average league bowler that has never given a rats @ss about the "sport" of bowling. The die hard 1% are going to be there every year no matter what so why cater to them, we need a plan to grow membership. And please stop telling me how great youth is doing because their membership is declining too and has been for a very long time.
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Re: Time to dump the USBC
« Reply #57 on: May 20, 2016, 02:15:02 PM »
Just my opinion of course but most of us here are good bowlers.  Maybe not 210+ but probably 180+ in most cases.  And most of the members of USBC are not.

They are 140-175 bowlers who dream about a 200 and a 300 is an imaginary place they will probably never get to.

I have bowled with bowlers who averaged 135 for the year and will never get better.  She loves to bowl but just rolls her 12 lb ball straight down the middle with maybe 3-4 revs end over end.  Her high game had been 188 and she had bowled for 10 years.  Well she had her lucky game and shot 212.  For her, she was on cloud 9.  Bowling for 10 years and she finally bowled a 200. 

That's the person we should remember when we are here arguing about awards.  She got the local assn award for 200 and 75 pins over average.  And she was so proud and happy when she got them. 

She will probably never throw what we consider an honor score.  For her, 200 was her honor score.

And there are way more of her type of bowlers that there are of us.  As I have stated before; in reading a lot of these comments here, I see a lot of "WHAT DO I GET"? 

Well maybe we should all be looking at what does everyone get and quit being so selfish.

Bingo! The vast majority of our members have been leaving every year for over a decade and no one seems to care. You guys and the USBC need to come down from your penthouse and think about the average league bowler that has never given a rats @ss about the "sport" of bowling. The die hard 1% are going to be there every year no matter what so why cater to them, we need a plan to grow membership. And please stop telling me how great youth is doing because their membership is declining too and has been for a very long time.


If you think these type of awards are causing the decline then you need to complain to your local association.  It is they who provide those awards, not the national association.

The more I think about it, so what the membership has declined.  According to those who hate USBC, they don't have to bowl in sanctioned events.  Don't have to pay USBC any money, they still can bowl. 

Perhaps the golden age was too big instead of today's bowling being too small.  If you don't like the USBC then don't sanction.  Even if the total membership goes to less than 100,000, I will still sanction because I feel USBC should be there to represent and support the sport of bowling. 

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Re: Time to dump the USBC
« Reply #58 on: May 20, 2016, 02:19:58 PM »
Just my opinion of course but most of us here are good bowlers.  Maybe not 210+ but probably 180+ in most cases.  And most of the members of USBC are not.

They are 140-175 bowlers who dream about a 200 and a 300 is an imaginary place they will probably never get to.

I have bowled with bowlers who averaged 135 for the year and will never get better.  She loves to bowl but just rolls her 12 lb ball straight down the middle with maybe 3-4 revs end over end.  Her high game had been 188 and she had bowled for 10 years.  Well she had her lucky game and shot 212.  For her, she was on cloud 9.  Bowling for 10 years and she finally bowled a 200. 

That's the person we should remember when we are here arguing about awards.  She got the local assn award for 200 and 75 pins over average.  And she was so proud and happy when she got them. 

She will probably never throw what we consider an honor score.  For her, 200 was her honor score.

And there are way more of her type of bowlers that there are of us.  As I have stated before; in reading a lot of these comments here, I see a lot of "WHAT DO I GET"? 

Well maybe we should all be looking at what does everyone get and quit being so selfish.

Bingo! The vast majority of our members have been leaving every year for over a decade and no one seems to care. You guys and the USBC need to come down from your penthouse and think about the average league bowler that has never given a rats @ss about the "sport" of bowling. The die hard 1% are going to be there every year no matter what so why cater to them, we need a plan to grow membership. And please stop telling me how great youth is doing because their membership is declining too and has been for a very long time.


If you think these type of awards are causing the decline then you need to complain to your local association.  It is they who provide those awards, not the national association.

The more I think about it, so what the membership has declined.  According to those who hate USBC, they don't have to bowl in sanctioned events.  Don't have to pay USBC any money, they still can bowl. 

Perhaps the golden age was too big instead of today's bowling being too small.  If you don't like the USBC then don't sanction.  Even if the total membership goes to less than 100,000, I will still sanction because I feel USBC should be there to represent and support the sport of bowling. 

Terrific...membership participation at that level will require an annual membership of $1000 because all of their tournament revenue will be in the tank.
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Re: Time to dump the USBC
« Reply #59 on: May 20, 2016, 03:02:55 PM »
Just my opinion of course but most of us here are good bowlers.  Maybe not 210+ but probably 180+ in most cases.  And most of the members of USBC are not.

They are 140-175 bowlers who dream about a 200 and a 300 is an imaginary place they will probably never get to.

I have bowled with bowlers who averaged 135 for the year and will never get better.  She loves to bowl but just rolls her 12 lb ball straight down the middle with maybe 3-4 revs end over end.  Her high game had been 188 and she had bowled for 10 years.  Well she had her lucky game and shot 212.  For her, she was on cloud 9.  Bowling for 10 years and she finally bowled a 200. 

That's the person we should remember when we are here arguing about awards.  She got the local assn award for 200 and 75 pins over average.  And she was so proud and happy when she got them. 

She will probably never throw what we consider an honor score.  For her, 200 was her honor score.

And there are way more of her type of bowlers that there are of us.  As I have stated before; in reading a lot of these comments here, I see a lot of "WHAT DO I GET"? 

Well maybe we should all be looking at what does everyone get and quit being so selfish.


Brother you read my mind. That's exactly the point I was trying to make. That's why the current mindset of the USBC IMO is a loosing one.

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Re: Time to dump the USBC
« Reply #60 on: May 20, 2016, 03:32:38 PM »


There it is right there!  Print this out and give to the 140-170 demographic.  Still get value on sanction $.

Steven made the point.

Just the administration piece of USBC services is worth more than we're each paying.
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