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Bjaardker

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Hehe,

Caught this article & I thought you might be intrested in it considering how much ABS & D/T tout their Kangaroo Leather.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/05/07/state0001EDT0244.DTL

"Under a 1971 California law, a host of animals or their parts are barred from commercial sale in the state, the suit says. That law, found in the criminal code, includes elephant, crocodile, sable antelope, jaguar, cheetah and polar bear. California is the only state criminalizing the sale of kangaroo parts for commercial purposes"

Sounds like ABS might need a good lawyer

 

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Re: Time to send ABS execs to the clink! Breaking the law in CA
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2003, 08:37:22 AM »
SB233 would amend the relevant section of Penal Code to delete the provisions against alligator, crocodile and kangaroo.  The potential for concern for Dynothane would be if the warehouse is in California.  However, based on the language below, and at least at first glance sans significant research, it would seem that sales by D/T are actually occurring from outside the state and that only sales within the state technically run afoul of the statute.

SB233 would amend the code as follows...(italicized and underlined would be stricken)

SECTION 1.  Section 653o of the Penal Code is amended to read:
   653o.  (a) It is unlawful to import into this state for commercial
purposes, to possess with intent to sell, or to sell within the
state, the dead body, or any part or product thereof, of any
alligator, crocodile,  polar bear, leopard, ocelot, tiger,
cheetah, jaguar, sable antelope, wolf (Canis lupus), zebra, whale,
cobra, python, sea turtle, colobus monkey,  kangaroo,
 vicuna, sea otter, free-roaming feral horse, dolphin or
porpoise (Delphinidae), Spanish lynx, or elephant.
   Any person who violates any provision of this section is guilty of
a misdemeanor and shall be subject to a fine of not less than one
thousand dollars ($1,000) and not to exceed five thousand dollars
($5,000) or imprisonment in the county jail for not to exceed six
months, or both such fine and imprisonment, for each violation.
   (b) The prohibitions against importation for commercial purposes,
possession with intent to sell, and sale of the species listed in
this section are severable.  A finding of the invalidity of any one
or more prohibitions shall not affect the validity of any remaining
prohibitions.

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Re: Time to send ABS execs to the clink! Breaking the law in CA
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2003, 08:38:04 AM »
I understand Steven!!  I hear you on that....(re: conservatives in CA)

HOWEVER,

If it's an animal legally hunted in Australia, then ............how can it be endagered ??  I'm not saying they are or aren't, but if they can be legally hunted, then how can they be endangered ?
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michelle

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Re: Time to send ABS execs to the clink! Breaking the law in CA
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2003, 08:42:22 AM »
More reading...it is the bill analysis from the legislative website.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_0201-0250/sb_233_cfa_20030421_144520_sen_comm.html

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Re: Time to send ABS execs to the clink! Breaking the law in CA
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2003, 08:49:05 AM »
Jeff: The whole argument about the hunting habits of other countries opens up a can of worms. We are getting into that gray 'opinion' area where it's impossible to come to a firm conclusion.

However, be careful of trusting what other countries do or don't do. Japan would have been happy to hunt whales into extinction if the USA had not stepped in. One of the great things about the US is that we sometimes take a broader view of an issue, and try to right the wrongs of others. We are not perfect and still make mistakes of our own, but the US (thankfully) has a more enlightened view of wild animal conservation than most other places in the world.

The moral of the story is to buy Dexters If you can't get comfortable in a pair of SST's, then you have physical problems I'm not qualified to address.

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Re: Time to send ABS execs to the clink! Breaking the law in CA
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2003, 08:49:17 AM »
Found this link, if anyone is interested.

http://www.savethekangaroo.com/

Bjaardker

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Re: Time to send ABS execs to the clink! Breaking the law in CA
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2003, 08:50:40 AM »
Thanks for doin the leg work Michelle. Very Interesting!

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Re: Time to send ABS execs to the clink! Breaking the law in CA
« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2003, 08:56:48 AM »
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The moral of the story is to buy Dexters If you can't get comfortable in a pair of SST's, then you have physical problems I'm not qualified to address.


Seems to me that Dexters were about to be available in kangaroo leather as well.

The fact of the matter is that Kalifornia is the ONLY state with this stupid regulation in place.  Do they not sell python boots in that state?  They sell them everywhere else...

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Re: Time to send ABS execs to the clink! Breaking the law in CA
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2003, 09:04:32 AM »
I guess I better not buy that Kangaroo leather jacket:          http://www.uswings.com/kangaroo.asp          

I wounder if they taste good? I use to think Alligator were good for boots. but have you ever taste one? um um good.

I'm a member of PETA(People for the Eating of Tastey Animals).

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Re: Time to send ABS execs to the clink! Breaking the law in CA
« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2003, 09:09:06 AM »
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I wounder if they taste good? I use to think Alligator were good for boots. but have you ever taste one? um um good.



mmm...fried alligator...mmm

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Re: Time to send ABS execs to the clink! Breaking the law in CA
« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2003, 09:12:40 AM »
Yes, alligator is tasty!

Michelle, so the leg work you did is saying that Kangaroo IS ok now in California?  yes ?
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Re: Time to send ABS execs to the clink! Breaking the law in CA
« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2003, 09:14:52 AM »
A comercial sale is from one business to another for comercial use. Resale is not a comercial use. A comercial use is where the company actualy uses the product.

A retail sale is a sale made to the general public. It is not the same as a comercial sale.
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Re: Time to send ABS execs to the clink! Breaking the law in CA
« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2003, 09:18:19 AM »

Jeff, kangaroo is still on the books.  SB233 would have removed the prohibitions on kangaroo, alligator and crocodile.  The analysis referenced other efforts to remove the language in something like 1984.  However, it also looks like the current effort may be tabled because it looks like the author withdrew it for the second time after it had been set for discussion.

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Re: Time to send ABS execs to the clink! Breaking the law in CA
« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2003, 09:21:19 AM »
Michelle, "would have" ....ok, so it's still on the books....


Well then, that means Nokona Sporting Goods of Nocona Texas, (softball/baseball gloves) are in violation as well because they have gloves made of Kangaroo and they sell them in California.......
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Re: Time to send ABS execs to the clink! Breaking the law in CA
« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2003, 09:23:19 AM »
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The fact of the matter is that Kalifornia is the ONLY state with this stupid regulation in place.  


"Kalifornia" has the well earned reputation for starting trends that the rest of the country eventually follows. Ironically, many of those are initially labeled as being 'stupid'. Regardless, living in a dynamic culture is one of the really great things about being here.  

 
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Seems to me that Dexters were about to be available in kangaroo leather as well.


I'm disappointed -- I went to the Dexter site get information on next generation kangaroo shoes, and to my surprise, nothing! In the mean time, support your local 'leather only' shoe company.

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Re: Time to send ABS execs to the clink! Breaking the law in CA
« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2003, 09:31:09 AM »
I know that the law in CA banning certain animal parts in CA.  Even though they may have been taken legally in other places.  CA law keeps the sale of these parts illegal.

In some cases it is even a felony.  I know that the ban on mountain lions is a big case us sportsman are dealing with right now.  Though it seems that the law isn't being enforced it can be and no one wants to take the chance.


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