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JPbowling151

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To bevel or not to bevel my thumb
« on: February 12, 2014, 12:48:45 PM »
I've been having some trouble with my thumb hanging up in the ball. It only seems to happen towards/during the 3 game of league, I'll start to hang up where the webbing meets the top of the thumb causing me to place my thumb only to the 2nd line not quite all the way in so I can still release the ball. Overall sizing of my thumb is fine, I'm just hanging at the top. Should I just pull the trigger and give the top a little more bevel or just use easy slide to combat the hang? Also, is it possible for a urethane thumb slug or thumb mold to naturally get tacky over time even after cleaning it out?

Hope I make some sense and Thanks in advance!!
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Re: To bevel or not to bevel my thumb
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2014, 03:37:05 AM »
JP,

you went from 1/8" right and rev, to 0 and 1/8" left. Some hang can be expected as you may be subconsciously grabbing a bit with the new pitches or just be 3rd game swelling. Try the easy slide first and see how that goes. If it continues, light scraping and a bevel knife work can fix that. Nothing to be afraid of doing.
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Re: To bevel or not to bevel my thumb
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2014, 05:10:24 PM »


It's possible, I recently changed thumb pitches in order to get a better grip & have a more relaxed feel of the ball. I originally had 1/8 right 1/8 reverse being left-handed and eventually went to 0 reverse 1/8 left which is where I'm at now...didn't adjust the finger pitches or span when I did this though. I plan on heading to the shop later to work things out.

Ok so you went from a faster release angle to a very slowed one and now you're hanging...logic here dictates you made too much change. I would go back to 1/8 right and zero reverse...you made 3/8" angle change and nothing else...
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Yes I found having the 1/8 reverse 1/8 right to be too fast to where I had to squeeze or use a lot of rosin to have a good grip. So I tried 0 reverse, 0 lateral and it was better though I still felt like I was losing it so I went to an 1/8 left and it feels  like it's right but I'm hanging. I'm thinking of trying an 1/8 forward, 1/8 right.
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Re: To bevel or not to bevel my thumb
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2014, 05:57:19 PM »
The angles dictates what's happening...if you're losing it on the downswing it tends to be forward/reverse...if it's interfering with the rotation it's lateral but if you look at how your thumb wants to lay, it's more than likely reverse/forward...angle under the palm slows the rotation and decreases the potential of the thumb releasing at a position for the forearm to stay 'behind' the ball correctly...
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Re: To bevel or not to bevel my thumb
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2014, 06:07:57 PM »
Also, try 1/8" increments at a time so it's easier to gauge...
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Re: To bevel or not to bevel my thumb
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2014, 07:14:28 PM »
The angles dictates what's happening...if you're losing it on the downswing it tends to be forward/reverse...if it's interfering with the rotation it's lateral but if you look at how your thumb wants to lay, it's more than likely reverse/forward...angle under the palm slows the rotation and decreases the potential of the thumb releasing at a position for the forearm to stay 'behind' the ball correctly...

I was losing the ball primarily on the downswing, never had problems with the rotation so I will try 1/8th increments forward and go back to 1/8 right and hopefully I'll find the right fit. Thanks!
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Re: To bevel or not to bevel my thumb
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2014, 10:37:13 PM »
It's funny.

Most of my ideas on thumb pitches except the Mo Pinel bevel tip (from Mo himself)came from previous postings by Bullred.

I am a big fan of his lots of reverse and lots of palm under for a no thumb type of reverse feel with the thumb in.

I absorbed the "angles" to talk like JustRico who is on the politically correct side of ball reviews.  I do get what he is saying and saying it...."sounds cool". 

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Re: To bevel or not to bevel my thumb
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2014, 10:40:28 PM »
Can somebody please translate any of that^^^^^
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Re: To bevel or not to bevel my thumb
« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2014, 12:01:12 AM »
Can somebody please translate any of that^^^^^

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Re: To bevel or not to bevel my thumb
« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2014, 09:46:08 AM »
Go back to 0/0 and make one adjustment at a time. That way you will. W able to tell what adjustment is causing your problem and work from there.

I bevel my thumb hole despite having gone to a relaxed fit. It just feels better to me and causes no problems with my release.

I tend to think that since you are not hanging until the third game that the problem is in your changing your release as you get tired, likely grabbing because your thumb has shrunk, and possibly coming around the ball causing it to lock on to your thumb. I would help to see what is happening.

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Re: To bevel or not to bevel my thumb
« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2014, 10:19:25 AM »
There's a good point in there . . most of the time when you correct your fit so you don't have to grip, your thumb will shrink, and if you don't keep up with that, you'll find yourself gripping again due to hole size rather than hole angle. 

Go back to 0/0 and make one adjustment at a time. That way you will. W able to tell what adjustment is causing your problem and work from there.

I bevel my thumb hole despite having gone to a relaxed fit. It just feels better to me and causes no problems with my release.

I tend to think that since you are not hanging until the third game that the problem is in your changing your release as you get tired, likely grabbing because your thumb has shrunk, and possibly coming around the ball causing it to lock on to your thumb. I would help to see what is happening.
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Re: To bevel or not to bevel my thumb
« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2014, 10:32:59 AM »
Bevel should be used in regards to the shape of the thumb not to help facilitate the speed of the release
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Re: To bevel or not to bevel my thumb
« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2014, 10:46:08 AM »
I'm about to change my thumb pitches thanks to some help from a very helpful dude, and can't wait to change my thumb bevel to as minimum as possible. Enough clearance to get out without having to grab. That's it!

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Re: To bevel or not to bevel my thumb
« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2014, 10:48:05 AM »
Yes

Bevel should be used in regards to the shape of the thumb not to help facilitate the speed of the release
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Re: To bevel or not to bevel my thumb
« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2014, 10:55:15 AM »
Also, no one has mentioned this, but do you intake a particular food or beverage while bowling? Salt and beer are known to make your body swell over the course of the night.

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Re: To bevel or not to bevel my thumb
« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2014, 10:57:26 AM »
Lol also yes

Also, no one has mentioned this, but do you intake a particular food or beverage while bowling? Salt and beer are known to make your body swell over the course of the night.
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