Post by: Buzzhead on January 23, 2009, 12:24:47 AM
Go out and buy one and see for your cheap selves now.
There is a difference....
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Post by: bowlingnut07 on January 23, 2009, 08:54:11 AM
Post by: Danes07 on January 23, 2009, 08:55:59 AM
My objection to Lane #1 has been its owner himself. I've had a couple of encounters with Richie Sposato and I can truly say that I don't like the man. Therefore, I won't patronize his company, despite the fact they are headquarters in the same city that I live and work in.
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Post by: Nicanor on January 23, 2009, 09:20:45 AM
I'm not saying everyone should get along with Richie or agree with his philosophy of "CG matters", but his customer service skills and that of his company is hard to match.
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Post by: another300 on January 23, 2009, 09:28:45 AM
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Post by: Nicanor on January 23, 2009, 09:51:17 AM
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Post by: Joe Jr on January 23, 2009, 10:17:51 AM
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on January 23, 2009, 10:43:48 AM
Who cares if CG matters or does not??? Who cares if Static weights mean jack sh1t or not???
Oh yeah all of you guys do lol
He dropped MAP for his company to survive through bad economic times no other reason, he can admit the truth or spin it again i could care less.
Post by: whin-o on January 23, 2009, 11:14:24 AM
All are great when things are fine.
You make the decision.
Post by: Buzzhead on January 23, 2009, 11:44:22 AM
ANYONE That refused to try lane #1 solely on the basis of price........
I stand behind the company I like. I do not nor ever have tried to shove something down someone elses throat.
I am very rarely involved in any of the mostly heated discussions about this. I prefer to set back and watch, because some of it really is funny.
I know* what I see based on my own observations of things.. and I know in my eyes thats all that matters to me.
What everyone else thinks....... who cares.
I was only stating that price should no longer be an issue with someone that hangs on to the $5-$10 difference in price there USED to be...... so they should now be able to try one and see......
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Post by: Necromancer on January 23, 2009, 11:52:01 AM
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Still a joke of a company with a gimmick for a core
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Agreed 1000%. I fell in the trap of their deceptive advertising. Their top balls are mid-range balls at best for other top companies. Lane#1 is probably the worst bowling ball company out there IMO. That diamond core is a joke if you look at the physics behind it. But they didn't, all they did was say 'what cool shape can you put in a bowling ball?'.
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Post by: JessN16 on January 23, 2009, 11:54:57 AM
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Don't count on me buying one, even at lower prices.
The posters praising this ball have forever turned me away from the product.
I don't want to join your 'Gang.'
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Post by: Buzzhead on January 23, 2009, 12:04:14 PM
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Post by: OddBalls on January 23, 2009, 12:06:27 PM
I guess RS just doesn't like me or my bowling style because NONE of his stuff produced the miracle that others seem to enjoy..
It's just a ball and an average one at that..
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Post by: Necromancer on January 23, 2009, 12:18:46 PM
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Ive been getting that feeling here buzzhead,,i have a strange rule..if ive never used it i dont comment on it,,kinda weird huh,,were theese peoples families killed by lane 1 balls???
I had a Cobalt Bomb Solid and strong drill and I was lucky if the ball did anything and I was going up 5 straight up. The ball is a good spare ball. Every now and then I guess that diamond inside decides to work and it will hook somewhat in the pocket. Most of the time though it hits light and if it hits at all it will usually leave the 10 pin. Since all the balls have that lame diamond core, that pretty much sums up what Lane #1 is all about.
Post by: Jorge300 on January 23, 2009, 12:26:43 PM
It is overhyped, and overpriced for the balls they are giving to the consumer. And the reason they are ovehyped is because as we all now in today's world, hype makes right. They are producing average equipment, with an average weight block. The physics of it are debatable, Lane#1 says it's core is better then any other shape, but those shapes tested are squares, triangles, circles, not true weight block shapes. Now maybe it is better, maybe it isn't but the physics proof is a joke. I would compare this to the Bruswick BVP line, the Storm Fire Line and I think it would match up well, but not against high end equipment which is why I say they are overpriced. Just my opinions after throwing 2-3 different Lane #1 balls.
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Post by: Necromancer on January 23, 2009, 12:45:27 PM
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I've thrown Lane#1 equipment....my take on it is this:
It is overhyped, and overpriced for the balls they are giving to the consumer. And the reason they are ovehyped is because as we all now in today's world, hype makes right. They are producing average equipment, with an average weight block. The physics of it are debatable, Lane#1 says it's core is better then any other shape, but those shapes tested are squares, triangles, circles, not true weight block shapes. Now maybe it is better, maybe it isn't but the physics proof is a joke. I would compare this to the Bruswick BVP line, the Storm Fire Line and I think it would match up well, but not against high end equipment which is why I say they are overpriced. Just my opinions after throwing 2-3 different Lane #1 balls.
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Me and Jorge300 agree!
On the weightblock, one huge flaw that Lane #1 never provides a 'proof' for. Sure they can trick the average bowler but not a physics student of 2 years at VT. Yeah the diamond core for what they want is superior to a square, cylinder, and circle. However, they fail to take into account density, and fail to advance the diamond core to anything else. It is about equal to a bomb core of the late 90's in many balls across different brands. The diamond is just there to give the ball hype that it may somehow be so different. With the very basic and symmetrical diamond core, you won't see much of a sharp breakpoint or awesome hook that Lane #1 claims to provide.
Post by: n00dlejester on January 23, 2009, 12:55:50 PM
From what I've seen, when the ball turns over and goes from the hook to roll phases, there's very little change of direction. That's been a turn off to me, but it could also just be the bowler.
But Storm gear works so well for me, "if it ain't broke don't fix it" applies to me here
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Post by: Jorge300 on January 23, 2009, 01:08:57 PM
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Me and Jorge300 agree!
Uh-oh.....I think that is one of the signs of the Apocalypse....it's not waiting until 2012.....RUUUUUUUUUNNNNNN!!!
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Post by: Necromancer on January 23, 2009, 01:10:28 PM
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I've never thrown a Lane 1 ball, but there's a dude in league who uses them. He's a straighter guy, and the ball fits his game really well, averages 200 and is always near the pocket.
From what I've seen, when the ball turns over and goes from the hook to roll phases, there's very little change of direction. That's been a turn off to me, but it could also just be the bowler.
But Storm gear works so well for me, "if it ain't broke don't fix it" applies to me here
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Post by: WillynHook on January 23, 2009, 02:42:21 PM
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That diamond core is a joke if you look at the physics behind it. But they didn't, all they did was say 'what cool shape can you put in a bowling ball?'.
Ahem,....
Grrr.....
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Post by: Steven on January 23, 2009, 02:52:17 PM
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Ahem,....
Grrr.....
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Post by: triggerman on January 23, 2009, 02:59:12 PM
quote:quote:
I've thrown Lane#1 equipment....my take on it is this:
It is overhyped, and overpriced for the balls they are giving to the consumer. And the reason they are ovehyped is because as we all now in today's world, hype makes right. They are producing average equipment, with an average weight block. The physics of it are debatable, Lane#1 says it's core is better then any other shape, but those shapes tested are squares, triangles, circles, not true weight block shapes. Now maybe it is better, maybe it isn't but the physics proof is a joke. I would compare this to the Bruswick BVP line, the Storm Fire Line and I think it would match up well, but not against high end equipment which is why I say they are overpriced. Just my opinions after throwing 2-3 different Lane #1 balls.
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Me and Jorge300 agree!
On the weightblock, one huge flaw that Lane #1 never provides a 'proof' for. Sure they can trick the average bowler but not a physics student of 2 years at VT. Yeah the diamond core for what they want is superior to a square, cylinder, and circle. However, they fail to take into account density, and fail to advance the diamond core to anything else. It is about equal to a bomb core of the late 90's in many balls across different brands. The diamond is just there to give the ball hype that it may somehow be so different. With the very basic and symmetrical diamond core, you won't see much of a sharp breakpoint or awesome hook that Lane #1 claims to provide.
how bout the 16 year engineer,
the principal behind their logic is sound, the physics portion is sound, anyone with any knowledge of how a gyroscope works knows what this core does and why is spins the way it does. lots of people (read physics experts on this site) tend to forget about energy transfer and how that energy expels from a moving object (simple energy transfer for those who want to look)
as far as your crappy solid cobalt bomb. ever pick up the phone and discuss it with lane 1? probably not, had you done that more then likely the ball would have been replaced, many balls got out with mismarked pins when the big company in Muskegon was pouring for them
I deal with friction, motion and energy transfer every day, Dr Joes findings are very sound, as is the physics study that was done at Syracuse University, that secured the patent on the diamond block.
now show my your proof? I can back mine up with studies and sound facts, how bout you?
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Post by: Maine Man on January 23, 2009, 03:05:09 PM
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Post by: OddBalls on January 23, 2009, 03:20:37 PM
quote:quote:
Me and Jorge300 agree!
Uh-oh.....I think that is one of the signs of the Apocalypse....it's not waiting until 2012.....RUUUUUUUUUNNNNNN!!!
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Wow, I agree with both of them..
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Post by: another300 on January 23, 2009, 03:21:03 PM
Post by: tenpin477 on January 23, 2009, 04:33:00 PM
Post by: idriveahonda on January 23, 2009, 10:07:21 PM
Well if you take the position that Lane#1 is a middle of the road company, I'll take the road of VT as a middle of the road school. I'm a senior in the College of Business at James Madison University (which our COB has ranked higher than the infamous VT for many years running
)Sorry, I just like to start stuff between college students
But when I first began, about a year ago...I was using 900 Global and Hammer products. Persisted and practiced for many months. 900 Global Break and Creature gave me the most 10-pins of my life...weakest ball I've EVER thrown. I switched (partially by the hype) to Lane#1, and my first ball was a 2nd drill Buzzbomb from Doug Sterner. He got my specs from me, and drilled the BB up (now on 2.5 drill in essence). Got it, practiced up...rarely leave 10-pins.
I'm 5'6'' and 140 lbs (small guy eh?), throw the ball 17-19 mph, with around 350-400 rpms. Can you say "play deep?" I was so happy with the ball, I picked up a Cobalt Pearl, Cobalt Solid, Supernova, and Supernova XP, all used with FANTASTIC results. I'm working on taking the Supernova out (don't play it much) and getting a BB/R and THS to round out a badass arsenal...and to say I have tons of balls lol.
But back to it. I havn't been bowling for more than a year, and have by far accomplished a pretty good feat (hold a 192 average after 1 year...to this date actually). 900 Global didn't work for crap, Hammer was about the same. I switched to Lane#1, and couldn't be more satisfied.
Post by: Necromancer on January 23, 2009, 10:24:42 PM
Well now that you started stuff, you have learned that I win.
quote:
Ooooooh, Necromancer is a 2-year physics student at VT....[b/]
Well if you take the position that Lane#1 is a middle of the road company, I'll take the road of VT as a middle of the road school. I'm a senior in the College of Business at James Madison University (which our COB has ranked higher than the infamous VT for many years running
Sorry, I just like to start stuff between college students
But when I first began, about a year ago...I was using 900 Global and Hammer products. Persisted and practiced for many months. 900 Global Break and Creature gave me the most 10-pins of my life...weakest ball I've EVER thrown. I switched (partially by the hype) to Lane#1, and my first ball was a 2nd drill Buzzbomb from Doug Sterner. He got my specs from me, and drilled the BB up (now on 2.5 drill in essence). Got it, practiced up...rarely leave 10-pins.
I'm 5'6'' and 140 lbs (small guy eh?), throw the ball 17-19 mph, with around 350-400 rpms. Can you say "play deep?" I was so happy with the ball, I picked up a Cobalt Pearl, Cobalt Solid, Supernova, and Supernova XP, all used with FANTASTIC results. I'm working on taking the Supernova out (don't play it much) and getting a BB/R and THS to round out a badass arsenal...and to say I have tons of balls lol.
But back to it. I havn't been bowling for more than a year, and have by far accomplished a pretty good feat (hold a 192 average after 1 year...to this date actually). 900 Global didn't work for crap, Hammer was about the same. I switched to Lane#1, and couldn't be more satisfied.
Post by: dougb on January 23, 2009, 10:31:23 PM
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If Lane #1 went back to basic diamond cores (away from the bomb type cores), and Brunswick poured covers, I would consider buying one again. Until then, I respectfully decline to purchase another Lane #1 ball. I threw them for years and had good success with the older core/cover combos, but never had success with Lane #1 equipment once they split from Big B. It's all about matchups, and they just don't match up well to my game anymore.
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Post by: idriveahonda on January 23, 2009, 10:33:06 PM
You went from a "2 yr physics student at VT" to a MBA student at Pitt?
Damn...I need to get on that kind of speed track. You went up like 5 years of school in like a day.
Ballin.
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LOL. I'm a nuclear engineer and MBA student in Pitt with 1 year left. Close though. Oh yeah Pitt is ranked in the top 100 schools in the world - not just USA.
Well now that you started stuff, you have learned that I win.quote:
Ooooooh, Necromancer is a 2-year physics student at VT....[b/]
Well if you take the position that Lane#1 is a middle of the road company, I'll take the road of VT as a middle of the road school. I'm a senior in the College of Business at James Madison University (which our COB has ranked higher than the infamous VT for many years running
Sorry, I just like to start stuff between college students
But when I first began, about a year ago...I was using 900 Global and Hammer products. Persisted and practiced for many months. 900 Global Break and Creature gave me the most 10-pins of my life...weakest ball I've EVER thrown. I switched (partially by the hype) to Lane#1, and my first ball was a 2nd drill Buzzbomb from Doug Sterner. He got my specs from me, and drilled the BB up (now on 2.5 drill in essence). Got it, practiced up...rarely leave 10-pins.
I'm 5'6'' and 140 lbs (small guy eh?), throw the ball 17-19 mph, with around 350-400 rpms. Can you say "play deep?" I was so happy with the ball, I picked up a Cobalt Pearl, Cobalt Solid, Supernova, and Supernova XP, all used with FANTASTIC results. I'm working on taking the Supernova out (don't play it much) and getting a BB/R and THS to round out a badass arsenal...and to say I have tons of balls lol.
But back to it. I havn't been bowling for more than a year, and have by far accomplished a pretty good feat (hold a 192 average after 1 year...to this date actually). 900 Global didn't work for crap, Hammer was about the same. I switched to Lane#1, and couldn't be more satisfied.
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on January 23, 2009, 10:33:34 PM
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39 pin jump in average buzzbomb over gravity shift 178 to 217 nuff said
Congrats larry. You went from a terrible THS bowler to a mediocre THS bowler, nuff said.
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on January 23, 2009, 10:35:28 PM
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First league back after 2 years off 217 sounds ok to me
Are you actually averaging 217 or just 217 since you switched?
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on January 23, 2009, 10:39:30 PM
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217 over 9 weeks since i switched,,if alot of guys in your house average alot higher than that ,,i wanna bowl where you do
That's good that you have improved. No in the house I bowl at I'm #1 at 225 with a couple other guys nipping at my heels in the 220's.
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on January 23, 2009, 10:45:33 PM
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Post by: 1MechEng on January 23, 2009, 10:49:23 PM
Dr. Joe's report summarizes that the diamond core has more rotational kinetic energy at the same motional conditions as compared to other simple geometric core shapes of similar size. While I will not contest this yet, I'm surprised that nobody has noticed the corollary to this claim: It will take more energy than other balls at the release to get to this energy point! (Remember that energy is neither created nor destroyed! This is the First Law of Thermodynamics).
So, while the Lane 1 core has 20% more rotational energy at the same motional conditions, it also takes 20% more energy to get it to those the same motional conditions (read: revs, speed).
This may be why the Lane 1 balls seems to work better for high-rev players.
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Post by: idriveahonda on January 23, 2009, 10:56:19 PM
With this assumption, wouldn't that make the ball EXACTLY the same as any other ball?
I could grab any ball, add 20% more effort (speed/revs) and I would thus, get ~20% more energy in the ball...correct?
So I'm lost.
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As a 15 yr. practicing engineer with a Masters Degree in Engineering from Case Western Univ., I will chime in on this subject for the sake of academic argument ...
Dr. Joe's report summarizes that the diamond core has more rotational kinetic energy at the same motional conditions as compared to other simple geometric core shapes of similar size. While I will not contest this yet, I'm surprised that nobody has noticed the corollary to this claim: It will take more energy than other balls at the release to get to this energy point! (Remember that energy is neither created nor destroyed! This is the First Law of Thermodynamics).
So, while the Lane 1 core has 20% more rotational energy at the same motional conditions, it also takes 20% more energy to get it to those the same motional conditions (read: revs, speed).
This may be why the Lane 1 balls seems to work better for high-rev players.
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Post by: 1MechEng on January 23, 2009, 10:58:34 PM
Nothing is free.
Any kinetic energy in the ball must be imparted by the user.
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Post by: Necromancer on January 23, 2009, 11:39:59 PM
quote:
Hold on...wait.
You went from a "2 yr physics student at VT" to a MBA student at Pitt?
Damn...I need to get on that kind of speed track. You went up like 5 years of school in like a day.
Ballin.quote:
LOL. I'm a nuclear engineer and MBA student in Pitt with 1 year left. Close though. Oh yeah Pitt is ranked in the top 100 schools in the world - not just USA.
Well now that you started stuff, you have learned that I win.quote:
Ooooooh, Necromancer is a 2-year physics student at VT....[b/]
Well if you take the position that Lane#1 is a middle of the road company, I'll take the road of VT as a middle of the road school. I'm a senior in the College of Business at James Madison University (which our COB has ranked higher than the infamous VT for many years running
Sorry, I just like to start stuff between college students
But when I first began, about a year ago...I was using 900 Global and Hammer products. Persisted and practiced for many months. 900 Global Break and Creature gave me the most 10-pins of my life...weakest ball I've EVER thrown. I switched (partially by the hype) to Lane#1, and my first ball was a 2nd drill Buzzbomb from Doug Sterner. He got my specs from me, and drilled the BB up (now on 2.5 drill in essence). Got it, practiced up...rarely leave 10-pins.
I'm 5'6'' and 140 lbs (small guy eh?), throw the ball 17-19 mph, with around 350-400 rpms. Can you say "play deep?" I was so happy with the ball, I picked up a Cobalt Pearl, Cobalt Solid, Supernova, and Supernova XP, all used with FANTASTIC results. I'm working on taking the Supernova out (don't play it much) and getting a BB/R and THS to round out a badass arsenal...and to say I have tons of balls lol.
But back to it. I havn't been bowling for more than a year, and have by far accomplished a pretty good feat (hold a 192 average after 1 year...to this date actually). 900 Global didn't work for crap, Hammer was about the same. I switched to Lane#1, and couldn't be more satisfied.
Post by: Necromancer on January 23, 2009, 11:42:20 PM
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YOU GUYS are making my head hurt,whats next relativity or string theory..lol
LOL, the stuff isn't that complicated. Common sense would show that the diamond core is nothing special. They even gives values for inertia for each shape and axis of rotation on the site. But like any sales company that can't let their product sell itself, they never tell the entire story.
What MechEng said was correct.
Post by: SleepOnIce on January 24, 2009, 06:34:46 AM
Also, lmao @ anyone who can say with a straight face that any ball carries (insert random percentage here) more than every other ball on the market.
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Post by: mmeredith82 on January 24, 2009, 07:20:58 AM
(I own a Gforce Nebula and it is deadly when I play down and in. It somehow carries all the corner pins as long as I hit it.)
Post by: Steven on January 24, 2009, 11:28:58 AM
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LOL, the stuff isn't that complicated. Common sense would show that the diamond core is nothing special.
Neo: For someone supposedly as smart as yourself, you lack that 'common sense' you're so convinced you have.
Throwing a Cobalt Bomb (probably sporadic at best) does not qualify you as any kind of authority on the diamond core. Actually, the Cobalt uses the Dirty Bomb core with a Mini Diamond Nugget, which gives a completely different look from the standard Diamond.
If you haven't thrown a couple of saws for some period of time, then you're clueless regarding what's special and what isn't.
Post by: Necromancer on January 24, 2009, 11:59:00 AM
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LOL, the stuff isn't that complicated. Common sense would show that the diamond core is nothing special.
Neo: For someone supposedly as smart as yourself, you lack that 'common sense' you're so convinced you have.
Throwing a Cobalt Bomb (probably sporadic at best) does not qualify you as any kind of authority on the diamond core. Actually, the Cobalt uses the Dirty Bomb core with a Mini Diamond Nugget, which gives a completely different look from the standard Diamond.
If you haven't thrown a couple of saws for some period of time, then you're clueless regarding what's special and what isn't.
Actually you are right. I looked the Buzzsaws and that core is slightly different. However, their balls still cost too much IMO.
Post by: Steven on January 24, 2009, 12:11:18 PM
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However, their balls still cost too much IMO.
Neo: Let me ask you this -- If you throw a line of balls that you believe gives you a better look than the alternatives, is that worth paying a few more bucks? If so, what would be your tolerance? $10?, $30, $50?
If it's easier, think of this in terms of another line besides Lane#1. I'm curious about your take on this because everything comes down to some kind of cost/benefit analysis.
Post by: jls on January 24, 2009, 12:18:20 PM
Does it mean they have good pins or MB's?
BTW, are Lane I balls still selling for $259 and up?
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Post by: Steven on January 24, 2009, 12:22:39 PM
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BTW, are Lane I balls still selling for $259 and up?
jls: As a proshop operator, you should know better than to ask a question like this. You should have access to sheet pricing from your distributor at your fingertips. Regardless, I own 15+ Lane#1 balls, and I've never paid $259 out the door, not even with drilling.
Post by: Necromancer on January 24, 2009, 12:25:50 PM
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However, their balls still cost too much IMO.
Neo: Let me ask you this -- If you throw a line of balls that you believe gives you a better look than the alternatives, is that worth paying a few more bucks? If so, what would be your tolerance? $10?, $30, $50?
If it's easier, think of this in terms of another line besides Lane#1. I'm curious about your take on this because everything comes down to some kind of cost/benefit analysis.
It depends no how I value it. If it is a new ball, I won't go beyond much more than a top Storm/Brunswick/RotoGrip ball that I can get easily for under $140 and that is with drilling, fingertips, and all. I see no reason to pay more than that for Lane #1. Especially when you got balls like the Cell going for under $100 easily on eBay brand new.
Of course I am the one with both Helix's and I paid big $$$ for those
Like Jay-Z says, "I'm not a businessman, I'm a business... MAN!"
Post by: Steven on January 24, 2009, 12:34:45 PM
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It depends no how I value it. If it is a new ball, I won't go beyond much more than a top Storm/Brunswick/RotoGrip ball that I can get easily for under $140 and that is with drilling, fingertips, and all. I see no reason to pay more than that for Lane #1. Especially when you got balls like the Cell going for under $100 easily on eBay brand new.
I'm not sure you answered my question in the context I asked it, but I'll try to interpret.
What I'm hearing is that you're price dominant. If you're convinced that a certain ball/line might give you a edge in brackets/sidepots/tournaments, you're still going to pass on it if you can't get it for lowest common denominator internet/eBay prices.
Interesting thought process.
Post by: jls on January 24, 2009, 12:37:07 PM
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BTW, are Lane I balls still selling for $259 and up?
jls: As a proshop operator, you should know better than to ask a question like this. You should have access to sheet pricing from your distributor at your fingertips. Regardless, I own 15+ Lane#1 balls, and I've never paid $259 out the door, not even with drilling.
Sorry, but my dist. does not carry them. And the last time I checked my price was either $179 or $189.
Now I think they have come down slightly, but They are not offering 4 for 1 deals. So it's about the same.
Buy 4 at $179 or $189 and get one free, now I think it is just $144.
And btw, they were indeed selling for $259 or higher, especially if you bought the guarantee.
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Edited on 1/24/2009 1:40 PM
Post by: lenstanles703 on January 24, 2009, 12:55:28 PM
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