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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: trash heap on August 27, 2013, 01:08:54 PM
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Local Men's League started up last night. It's your typical house shot. Could state its on the lighter side of oil. Amazing how many bowlers still try to use hook monsters on this condition.
It actually hurt watching some of them throwing the ball as hard as they could.
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This is the norm in both of my leagues as well on a THS that is definitely on the lighter side. I don't understand why people don't use equipment that suits the lane conditions rather than look for the biggest hooking, most aggressive balls on the market. What's more baffling is watching those same people turn around midway through the set and complain that they can't get the ball to the pocket while throwing straight up the track. Maybe its because you are throwing HEAVY oil balls on a broken down LIGHT oil pattern...genius!! haha
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Its a million times easier of a shot for me to throw a wrecker rather than my nano pearl lol.
Its a shame the pro shops could make money if they put out a heavier shot!
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Its a million times easier of a shot for me to throw a wrecker rather than my nano pearl lol.
Its a shame the pro shops could make money if they put out a heavier shot!
I have had this discussion with many a pro shop, lanemen, and general managers.
Here is the issue:
1) The "average" league bowler wants their ball to look like the pros. However, the average league bowler, has a rev rate under 250. So in their own way, they are asking for less oil.
2) Most senior bowlers want less oil - they don't put much on the ball any more. A lot of them cannot hook and carry in heavy oil.
3) The only people asking for more oil are the type of bowler who post on this board. These bowlers typically bowl 1 league at a house. In reality, they probably bowl multiple leagues, but at different houses across town.
So if the house accommodates the high average guys and put out more oil, they make the average league bowlers mad that they don't get the ball reaction of pros. And they have made the seniors mad that only the young whipper snappers can hook the ball.
But the average bowler and the seniors make up a higher % of leagues than the once a week high average bowler appearance. Thus they tend to keep the higher % of their clientele happy.
Makes good business practice.
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Yeap.
Its a million times easier of a shot for me to throw a wrecker rather than my nano pearl lol.
Its a shame the pro shops could make money if they put out a heavier shot!
I have had this discussion with many a pro shop, lanemen, and general managers.
Here is the issue:
1) The "average" league bowler wants their ball to look like the pros. However, the average league bowler, has a rev rate under 250. So in their own way, they are asking for less oil.
2) Most senior bowlers want less oil - they don't put much on the ball any more. A lot of them cannot hook and carry in heavy oil.
3) The only people asking for more oil are the type of bowler who post on this board. These bowlers typically bowl 1 league at a house. In reality, they probably bowl multiple leagues, but at different houses across town.
So if the house accommodates the high average guys and put out more oil, they make the average league bowlers mad that they don't get the ball reaction of pros. And they have made the seniors mad that only the young whipper snappers can hook the ball.
But the average bowler and the seniors make up a higher % of leagues than the once a week high average bowler appearance. Thus they tend to keep the higher % of their clientele happy.
Makes good business practice.
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Its a million times easier of a shot for me to throw a wrecker rather than my nano pearl lol.
Its a shame the pro shops could make money if they put out a heavier shot!
I have had this discussion with many a pro shop, lanemen, and general managers.
Here is the issue:
1) The "average" league bowler wants their ball to look like the pros. However, the average league bowler, has a rev rate under 250. So in their own way, they are asking for less oil.
2) Most senior bowlers want less oil - they don't put much on the ball any more. A lot of them cannot hook and carry in heavy oil.
3) The only people asking for more oil are the type of bowler who post on this board. These bowlers typically bowl 1 league at a house. In reality, they probably bowl multiple leagues, but at different houses across town.
So if the house accommodates the high average guys and put out more oil, they make the average league bowlers mad that they don't get the ball reaction of pros. And they have made the seniors mad that only the young whipper snappers can hook the ball.
But the average bowler and the seniors make up a higher % of leagues than the once a week high average bowler appearance. Thus they tend to keep the higher % of their clientele happy.
Makes good business practice.
1. Agree.
2. In the senior leagues I bowl in, most of the over 65 crowd are real low on ball speed, 10mph or less at the deck, down to about 5mph. They usually have too much hook and actually want either a longer pattern or more oil.
3. Probably.
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Wouldn't it be a good strategy to change up the volumes of oil so that everyone would feel the need to always carry at least a 4 ball arsenal everyday? Instead of bringing one or two balls, they would carry 4. More challenging to try and figure out what works too, instead of the same thing every week.
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It's easier to adjust to too much hook than not enough
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if you change lane condition or oil amounts there is a lot of complaining and crying in the league. i deal with this all the time. if the shot isnt a complete joke and you have to do more then kick the ball past the line we have a league meeting. One week last season they change the added a lot more oil by mistake and people were saying if this keeps up they will drop out of the league. The top teams were saying they just want to screw us out of first place. If you have to rely on a shot you know to be in first maybe your team isnt as good as you think.
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It's easier to adjust to too much hook than not enough
THANK YOU!
I have said this exact thing for a LONG time, but nobody here seems to believe me.
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I've always believe this...can always throw harder almost impossible to slow down
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I get it. I guess people are not up for a challenge?! There is a house nearby that puts down THS every league and they have multiple 300's and 700-800's every month. The house I bowl at had 3 300's in the past 3 years, no 800's. guess which house has more interest? Yup, the high scoring house. There's like a 30 pin difference in averages for the two centers.
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Dude today's bowlers are different than years past...most do not wish to compete on a challenging conditions and is that really a bad thing? Granted its not what WE all grew up or believe the way the game should be played...I choose not to play from the pro tips when I golf...but I still love to play...accept the game for what you want out of it...not what you feel others should
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Local Men's League started up last night. It's your typical house shot. Could state its on the lighter side of oil. Amazing how many bowlers still try to use hook monsters on this condition.
It actually hurt watching some of them throwing the ball as hard as they could.
Trash Heap, I bought a Full Swing when Columbia released the ball in 2009. The FS was considered "high performance," and it certainly was high performance under the right conditions. However, I used the FS on standard house patterns---a major mistake. The FS has a very porous coverstock and is a good weapon in heavy oil which you rarely see on the typical house shot.
I stopped trying to force the FS to do what it was not designed to do and switched to The Freeze---a better ball for the conditions that we face.
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Last year, my house used a modified Wall Street pattern. By modified, I mean they added more oil in the middle of the lane. They were easy before, but last year my average went from 212 to 226. The association gave out 3 times as many awards as they did 2 years ago. Because of the low rev rates and more oil in the middle, you can easily throw the hook monsters, and most league bowlers prefer them.
Over the summer I bowled against one guy who threw it as far right as the 4 board and as far left as the 12 board, and never missed the pocket. Sometimes, I wonder why I practice.
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When I worked in a shop (years back now when in grad school), I pitched the same case to the house manager. Put down some volume of oil on the lanes..pleaded with him. Put down more oil and proshop sales will increase. The shot was so rediculously dry that most everyone threw either OLD urethane or early 90s reactive. A little more oil takes those pieces out of play, and although you may get some grumbles, once they see a person scoring with "new" equipment, they would all convert... It went on a deaf ear.... The bone dry shot fit the house manager 150 rpm rev rate quite nicely...
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Could state its on the lighter side of oil. Amazing how many bowlers still try to use hook monsters on this condition.
We start tonight, I'm GUARANTEED to see exactly what you are seeing. Gift of prophecy? :P
I always try to put myself in the other guys shoe......Why I would, for some reason, throw my strong equipment on this same condidtion (we have a light oil THS) is beyond me when my Pink/Purple Karma and Black Pearl Strike King are PLENTY enough ball. Every rationalization or excuse I could even think of is.........forgive me here..........retarded.
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All house shots are very dry outside 10 board. Agree that many seniors don't have the speed to play in this area. However most house shots have plenty of oil inside 10. If they don't seem to, it is more likely the length of the buff rather than the volume of oil. I use to see houses all the time that had plenty of oil, but only buffed about 35 feet. This is a killer for slow ball speed.
Bottom line, the THS is the closest thing to giving everyone something as long as the buff is at least 40 feet. Want dry move out. Want oil move in. Seniors with slower ball speed should be throwing shiny tame pearls, or even polished urethane, because the strong shelled balls will roll out for them even on a long buff.
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When I worked in a shop (years back now when in grad school), I pitched the same case to the house manager. Put down some volume of oil on the lanes..pleaded with him. Put down more oil and proshop sales will increase. The shot was so rediculously dry that most everyone threw either OLD urethane or early 90s reactive. A little more oil takes those pieces out of play, and although you may get some grumbles, once they see a person scoring with "new" equipment, they would all convert... It went on a deaf ear.... The bone dry shot fit the house manager 150 rpm rev rate quite nicely...
Welcome to where I bowl!! its the freaking pits too. Last night in league we had our sweepers and only a few shot a small 600+ series, it was pathetic. Over/Under hell and flying backends and carry down crap...this is "Gable House" !! :o >:( ???
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Saturday night was my first time bowling in league since 1998. It is a Saturday night, every other week, mixed league. Looking at our league sheet, I made a rough estimation that the league average for men is around 155-160. I was shocked to see a lot of bowlers with poor form throwing monster hooks. Back in the day you had to work to develop a good hook. Now anyone can throw a hook thanks to the dry conditions and new balls. The sad part is many of them will never average higher than 160 because their poor form makes spare shooting harder than calculus.
Do you guys think average bowlers were better before reactive technology?
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No.
Regards,
Luckylefty
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Saturday night was my first time bowling in league since 1998. It is a Saturday night, every other week, mixed league. Looking at our league sheet, I made a rough estimation that the league average for men is around 155-160. I was shocked to see a lot of bowlers with poor form throwing monster hooks. Back in the day you had to work to develop a good hook. Now anyone can throw a hook thanks to the dry conditions and new balls. The sad part is many of them will never average higher than 160 because their poor form makes spare shooting harder than calculus.
Do you guys think average bowlers were better before reactive technology?
No. Average bowlers are just that...the difference between the top and the bottom just gets farther apart. Used to be the top and average might have been 25-40 pins.
Now, there is enough room between them to build a Walmart...
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Biggest problem with modern bowlers is that they have been indoctrinated from an early age that more hook equates to more power and better carry. This is not even completely true on house patterns, and is totally untrue on any flatter patterns. But, everyone thinks more hook is better, so ball manufacturers make balls with great hook potential, and lane men make lanes squeeking dry outside 10 board so everyone can play strike or no count if that is their desire.
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I find conditions pretty dry most places....or I guess i should say wet/ dry. Luckily a couple years ago a friend turned me onto urethane. When I started bowling after college the reactive stuff was just starting to come out, so I missed that whole era. Switching to it has made my life quite a bit easier!
Also the Hammer Arson Low Flare is nice with a similar motion. Bowling is more fun for me now. Pretty frustrated before having to stand in the left gutter and loft it halfway down the lane to hope it would stay right of the headpin.