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To much ball for the lane condition.
« on: August 27, 2013, 01:08:54 PM »
Local Men's League started up last night. It's your typical house shot. Could state its on the lighter side of oil. Amazing how many bowlers still try to use hook monsters on this condition.

It actually hurt watching some of them throwing the ball as hard as they could.
 
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Re: To much ball for the lane condition.
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2013, 07:17:23 AM »
When I worked in a shop (years back now when in grad school), I pitched the same case to the house manager.  Put down some volume of oil on the lanes..pleaded with him.  Put down more oil and proshop sales will increase.  The shot was so rediculously dry that most everyone threw either OLD urethane or early 90s reactive.  A little more oil takes those pieces out of play, and although you may get some grumbles, once they see a person scoring with "new" equipment, they would all convert...  It went on a deaf ear....  The bone dry shot fit the house manager 150 rpm rev rate quite nicely...
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Re: To much ball for the lane condition.
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2013, 08:26:01 AM »
Could state its on the lighter side of oil. Amazing how many bowlers still try to use hook monsters on this condition.

We start tonight, I'm GUARANTEED to see exactly what you are seeing.  Gift of prophecy?   :P

I always try to put myself in the other guys shoe......Why I would, for some reason, throw my strong equipment on this same condidtion (we have a light oil THS) is beyond me when my Pink/Purple Karma and Black Pearl Strike King are PLENTY enough ball.  Every rationalization or excuse I could even think of is.........forgive me here..........retarded. 
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Re: To much ball for the lane condition.
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2013, 10:30:13 AM »
All house shots are very dry outside 10 board.  Agree that many seniors don't have the speed to play in this area.  However most house shots have plenty of oil inside 10.  If they don't seem to, it is more likely the length of the buff rather than the volume of oil.  I use to see houses all the time that had plenty of oil, but only buffed about 35 feet.  This is a killer for slow ball speed. 

Bottom line, the THS is the closest thing to giving everyone something as long as the buff is at least 40 feet.  Want dry move out.  Want oil move in.   Seniors with slower ball speed should be throwing shiny tame pearls, or even polished urethane, because the strong shelled balls will roll out for them even on a long buff.     

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Re: To much ball for the lane condition.
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2013, 04:48:35 PM »
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When I worked in a shop (years back now when in grad school), I pitched the same case to the house manager.  Put down some volume of oil on the lanes..pleaded with him.  Put down more oil and proshop sales will increase.  The shot was so rediculously dry that most everyone threw either OLD urethane or early 90s reactive.  A little more oil takes those pieces out of play, and although you may get some grumbles, once they see a person scoring with "new" equipment, they would all convert...  It went on a deaf ear....  The bone dry shot fit the house manager 150 rpm rev rate quite nicely...

Welcome to where I bowl!! its the freaking pits too. Last night in league we had our sweepers and only a few shot a small 600+ series, it was pathetic. Over/Under hell and flying backends and carry down crap...this is "Gable House" !!  :o >:( ???
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Re: To much ball for the lane condition.
« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2013, 12:47:59 PM »
Saturday night was my first time bowling in league since 1998. It is a Saturday night, every other week, mixed league. Looking at our league sheet, I made a rough estimation that the league average for men is around 155-160. I was shocked to see a lot of bowlers with poor form throwing monster hooks.  Back in the day you had to work to develop a good hook. Now anyone can throw a hook thanks to the dry conditions and new balls. The sad part is many of them will never average higher than 160 because their poor form makes spare shooting harder than calculus.

Do you guys think average bowlers were better before reactive technology?

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Re: To much ball for the lane condition.
« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2013, 01:33:05 PM »
No.

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Re: To much ball for the lane condition.
« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2013, 02:18:58 PM »
Saturday night was my first time bowling in league since 1998. It is a Saturday night, every other week, mixed league. Looking at our league sheet, I made a rough estimation that the league average for men is around 155-160. I was shocked to see a lot of bowlers with poor form throwing monster hooks.  Back in the day you had to work to develop a good hook. Now anyone can throw a hook thanks to the dry conditions and new balls. The sad part is many of them will never average higher than 160 because their poor form makes spare shooting harder than calculus.

Do you guys think average bowlers were better before reactive technology?

No. Average bowlers are just that...the difference between the top and the bottom just gets farther apart. Used to be the top and average might have been 25-40 pins.

Now, there is enough room between them to build a Walmart...

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Re: To much ball for the lane condition.
« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2013, 01:01:34 PM »
Biggest problem with modern bowlers is that they have been indoctrinated from an early age that more hook equates to more power and better carry.  This is not even completely true on house patterns, and is totally untrue on any flatter patterns.  But, everyone thinks more hook is better, so ball manufacturers make balls with great hook potential, and lane men make lanes squeeking dry outside 10 board so everyone can play strike or no count if that is their desire. 

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Re: To much ball for the lane condition.
« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2013, 04:40:04 PM »
I find conditions pretty dry most places....or I guess i should say wet/ dry.  Luckily a couple years ago a friend turned me onto urethane.  When I started bowling after college the reactive stuff was just starting to come out, so I missed that whole era.  Switching to it has made my life quite a bit easier! 

Also the Hammer Arson Low Flare is nice with a similar motion.  Bowling is more fun for me now.  Pretty frustrated before having to stand in the left gutter and loft it halfway down the lane to hope it would stay right of the headpin. 
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