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TheGom

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Can This Really Happen?....League 5 Man Team...Lane Play
« on: March 13, 2014, 12:22:37 PM »
Our team is in a 20 team 5 person team league.

We seem to be suffering from our weekly opponents bowling very well against us more often then not it seems and after 26 weeks our opponents are averaging the 9th best Handicap Team Series for that week out of those 20 teams. Were we are averaging the 10th best but we are in 13th overall.

Bad timing or could our team be creating a wall for other teams if the majority of us never move and play up the 10 board if the other team is playing deeper?

Four times we have seen the top Series out of 26 weeks!

Thoughts? 

 

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Re: Can This Really Happen?....League 5 Man Team...Lane Play
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2014, 12:32:23 PM »
I bowl in a trio league.  29 teams.  Big $ league.  Handicap at 80% of 230.  We are 3rd in the league in team average and in 16th place.  I feel your pain.  We just get the wrong teams on the wrong nights!  It sucks but it happens.

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Re: Can This Really Happen?....League 5 Man Team...Lane Play
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2014, 12:57:06 PM »
I second that yes it does happen, tonight the first place teams have been going back and forth from a team filled with scratch bowlers against a team filled with handicap bowlers.  The handicap team has found a way to strike and spare enough to give any team they face a run.  Yes it can most definitely happen.
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Re: Can This Really Happen?....League 5 Man Team...Lane Play
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2014, 02:13:34 PM »
I will answer what the first two posters missed. Yes, I think you're team might be creating a wall for the opposing teams. Now it depends on the oil pattern, but if your team is playing up 10 most if not all of the night and there is out of bounds to the right....the other teams can move in play off the area you are drying up and create an easier shot for themselves.
 
Some of it could just be bad luck as well. I don't think it is 100% one or the other, but based on what you posted, it seems like your team may be helping out the other teams as well.
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Re: Can This Really Happen?....League 5 Man Team...Lane Play
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2014, 02:29:53 PM »
The question also is are the other teams knowledgable enough to realize it and take advantage of it?  Most times I would have to say they have not clue and if you brought it up to them they wouldn't know what your talking about. 

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Re: Can This Really Happen?....League 5 Man Team...Lane Play
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2014, 04:45:19 PM »
I think it is a combination of both instances. You are a top team, so you are going to get the best from every team that bowls against you. When you are on top.....everyone is gunning for you. Ask the Miami Heat!!

On the other hand, I believe you guys are definitely creating a wall for your opponents, whether they know it or not! It is probably intuitive for them. If one of them figures out where to play, instinctively all their team members will follow suit, if physically possible.

It happens.
Some days you're the bug....some days you're the windshield...that's bowling!

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Re: Can This Really Happen?....League 5 Man Team...Lane Play
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2014, 05:08:29 PM »
I will answer what the first two posters missed. Yes, I think you're team might be creating a wall for the opposing teams. Now it depends on the oil pattern, but if your team is playing up 10 most if not all of the night and there is out of bounds to the right....the other teams can move in play off the area you are drying up and create an easier shot for themselves.
 
Some of it could just be bad luck as well. I don't think it is 100% one or the other, but based on what you posted, it seems like your team may be helping out the other teams as well.

Jorge, you are correct that we are seeing an OB for most of this year. We are the second lowest Scratch team and as the League averages 182 while out team averages 168 or lower depending who out of the 6 players are bowling that week with our rotation.

I have the most revs at about 240-275 and ball speed at about 15.5....everyone else is below 200 revs and 12-14 speed.

Most of the league has some hand and my guess local tournament type bowlers. I have all rec bowler on my team that never practice.

I believe that 70% of the teams talk to each other and make moves based off of knowledge.

I have never heard anyone say it's tough bowling against us because we create carried down or miss our marks so badly that create a tougher shot.

I am going to do the stats from last year and I see the same pattern I can start to understand that we are creating a wall for the good players.

We play match play and we lose more then are share of match points bowling over our averages only to see the other teams bowler bowl even high over his (we are at 100% of 220)

Last place last year out of 18 teams and sinking fast this year...man this is hard on me.

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Re: Can This Really Happen?....League 5 Man Team...Lane Play
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2014, 05:13:28 PM »
Gom,
    Like I said, it could be more a product of the shot. If the shot last year was different, you may not see it. Just like if they change the shot next year, it won't happen either. But if everyone is trying to play inside and you guys are up 10, you could create an area of dry in the oil and the other teams are now able to have miss room right, which then brings up their scores. All you can do is grin and bear it.
   
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Re: Can This Really Happen?....League 5 Man Team...Lane Play
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2014, 05:17:11 PM »
Stop crying and BOWL!!!
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TheGom

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Re: Can This Really Happen?....League 5 Man Team...Lane Play
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2014, 06:20:15 PM »
Stop crying and BOWL!!!

Strikeking, I am trying to LEARN!! Where we finish is where we finish and I accept this or I would quit the team.  I am the only one out if 6 attempting to LEARN about the game.

Now in saying this, can I borrow your Crying Towel!


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Re: Can This Really Happen?....League 5 Man Team...Lane Play
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2014, 06:59:51 PM »

Strikeking, I am trying to LEARN!! Where we finish is where we finish and I accept this or I would quit the team.  I am the only one out if 6 attempting to LEARN about the game.

Now in saying this, can I borrow your Crying Towel!


Gom, good for you. We should all be trying to improve, no matter what our current state.
 
My take is that it's mostly the luck of the draw. If teams are bowling well against you, well, it's just because they are. I'm not buying scenarios where you're creating walls the other teams are taking advantage of. Whatever is there is available to everyone.
 
On a personal note, my team won our league championship a few years back, and we were no better than the middle of the league in team average. It was a combination of winning a lot of close games, and frankly catching a lot of the better teams on off nights. The stars were aligned for us that year. It happens.
 
Conversely, the opposite is happening to us this year. We're losing too many close games, and we're experience being on the losing end of season high nights by other teams. It happens, and has nothing to do with the conditions. As Jesse James has said, sometimes you're the bug, and sometimes you're the windshield.  :)   Life goes on. It's a bowling lesson you learn over time.
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Re: Can This Really Happen?....League 5 Man Team...Lane Play
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2014, 08:57:16 PM »
I've definitely seen teams that make it easy to score against them, and teams that make it hard.  In a competitive men's league, I bowled against a team that had 3 lefties and 2 guys that threw charcoal straight up 15 on the right side.  They were a tough match-up.  If your team shoots spares well, but can't strike with the rest of the league, it might be a way to win more games. 

Best of luck! 

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Re: Can This Really Happen?....League 5 Man Team...Lane Play
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2014, 12:27:07 AM »
Jorge is spot on!

I am glad you are trying to learn the Sport the right way, Don't let all the big hard core internet guys bother you
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