Author Topic: Too short of oil (Read 9626 times)

back to it · « **on:** September 20, 2016, 05:23:34 PM »

As a member of the USBC,most of us agree that this ridiculous of 36 ft oil,even 38 is a ruination of of sport! Like tennis first,then tennis, bowling has become a power sport. Don Carter,Dick Weber,even Earl Anthony wouldn't stand a chance on todays lanes. Throw 18+mph with lots of revs or stroke "IT" at 20+ mph ala Norm, or your out of luck. If you throw 13mph with a reactive ball,the controllability is difficult at best. All that is needed is43 ft of oil minimum. Perfect without hiigh ball speeds don't have to force or loft the ball,the "strokers"can buy their lastest hook in the box. According to the BOD of the USBC, the BPA is the one preventing a minumum oil requirement. Save 3-4ft of oil ever week,how much $ do you save a year?

avabob · « **Reply #31 on:** September 21, 2016, 08:04:16 PM »

I thought throwing strikes was the object of the game. Ii is not about which condition requires more skill. Just as much skill required to repeat shots with lots of revs and speed as to thread the neeble on a 47 foot sport pattern . By the way, I am a 68 year old low speed stroker who is way more competitive on very long or very short sport patterns, but I have a lot of respect for young guys with power who can still compete on a variety of conditions

back to it · « **Reply #32 on:** September 22, 2016, 12:52:10 AM »

If they can still score on a tough pattern I have nothing but respect for them. It's the guys who stand left,throw hard right at an area and shoot 235,not repeating shots over a board.

avabob · « **Reply #33 on:** September 22, 2016, 12:35:36 PM »

In my experienceost guys averaging 235 arent spraying the ball. Their difficulty on flat patterns usually stems from an inability to square up. Swing area is addictive. I can still remember struggling on fresh oil when I was a kid.

trash heap · « **Reply #34 on:** September 22, 2016, 12:52:57 PM »

Quote from: Gene J Kanak on September 21, 2016, 10:13:26 AM

Again, when did it become the center's responsibility to give us all the look we want?

When the bowling centers started laying down easy shots.

This whole concept of easy shots makes money....well....if your a center owner and you want your customers happy, better make sure you have the shot they want.

avabob · « **Reply #35 on:** September 22, 2016, 03:28:11 PM »

Speaking as a guy who started in the 60s, the highest scoring houses have had the most bowlers for as long as I can remember. Scratch leagues I bowled in back then were almost impossible to miss the pocket if you were any good at all. High friction balls have upped carry and that is the primary reason scoring has increased so dramatically over the years. Also bowlers are a lot better today than when I started.

bcw1969 · « **Reply #36 on:** September 22, 2016, 04:25:26 PM »

Quote from: trash heap on September 22, 2016, 12:52:57 PM

Quote from: Gene J Kanak on September 21, 2016, 10:13:26 AM
Again, when did it become the center's responsibility to give us all the look we want?

When the bowling centers started laying down easy shots.

This whole concept of easy shots makes money....well....if your a center owner and you want your customers happy, better make sure you have the shot they want.

I just have to ask then..What IS a typical House Shot intended to accomplish, or rather WHAT type of bowler is a THS intended to benefit, or in people opinions, what type of bowler has the potential to benefit more from a house shot than other types of bowlers. From what I understand--and I only bowl in 1 house...most house shots are in the 38-41 foot range supposedly because that length range provides potential to attack the pattern from multiple angles. It has almost seemed as if the modern game, and by modern game I mean the league patterns themselves and the type of equipment the most companies are producing these days are not conducive to who I am as a bowler.

Brad

SVstar34 · « **Reply #37 on:** September 22, 2016, 04:31:31 PM »

It's not just the patterns and equipment though. You're missing other variables like lane surface and topography.

No center is the same as another. You can see differences from pair to pair in a center as well.

SG17 · « **Reply #38 on:** September 22, 2016, 08:30:53 PM »

Why all the hate for relatively easy house shot? a THS that one guy averages 230 on is a pattern that many others average 150 or less on.

Think of it like the levels of play in Softball. When I still played slowpitch with the guys, there was recreational, D, C, B, A, AA, ect. each being progressively more challenging level of play, and each having its own league.

a handicap league using a THS is no different than a rec or D level league of softball. Every sport has various levels to participate in.

I think the main reason THS is prevalent, and popular is that most bowlers are there for fun. I know a guy that averages 210 to 215 in our sport league and over 235 in his house shot league.

he bowls for the FUN; he doesn't bowl the house shot league to feel "better" or boost the ego, he bowls it because that is what he can bowl with friends and drink beer and eat nachos. Just because he has the ability to average 235 doesn't take away from his fun, nor detract from his ability on sport or PBA patterns when he wants that challenge.

if people enjoy the relative ease of a THS who are we to judge them?

avabob · « **Reply #39 on:** September 22, 2016, 10:01:53 PM »

The biggest selling point of the 40 foot house shot is that it can be attacked by multiple styles.

back to it · « **Reply #40 on:** September 23, 2016, 12:19:58 AM »

Your guy averaging 215 in sport shot is a true bowler,hats off to him. Your missing the point,not all of us can throw 17+mph. I play softball too,I don't see guys jacking 325ft homers in d league.A lot of leagues have now gone to 80% of 220. Care to do the math? All i'm asking is to lengthing the oil so all ball speeds have as much as an equal chance as everyone else. If the high rev guy throwing 17+ has 4-6 boards to hit the pocket (with incredible carry),let us have the same (minus the pins flying around).42 ft would be fair to strokers,tweeners crankers and 2 handers. As of the previous post when do houses owe us a shot we like..NEVER.Now figure out how to keep USBC membership from dropping like a rock,until there is no more goverening body,even as a limp noodle as we are now

back to it · « **Reply #41 on:** September 23, 2016, 02:16:21 AM »

Quote from: SVstar34 on September 20, 2016, 06:11:12 PM

You've obviously never bowled on a short sport pattern then. The length of oil is not the main issue.

I have to use "entry" level balls on our 41' house shot where I live. However when I go back to my hometown and bowl on a 38' shot i can use mid-range equipment.

There are too many variables from center to center to have a minimum guideline and it would cost too much money to apply
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Obviously you missed where i stated ive bowled many sport shots, but i know going in the 3 high series for the night aren't all going to be in the 700's. Ths or a 51' sport shot all i ask is for more lane conditioner to be able to compete with the guys able to overpower the condition

back to it · « **Reply #42 on:** September 23, 2016, 02:16:32 AM »

Quote from: SVstar34 on September 20, 2016, 06:11:12 PM

You've obviously never bowled on a short sport pattern then. The length of oil is not the main issue.

I have to use "entry" level balls on our 41' house shot where I live. However when I go back to my hometown and bowl on a 38' shot i can use mid-range equipment.

There are too many variables from center to center to have a minimum guideline and it would cost too much money to apply
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Obviously you missed where i stated ive bowled many sport shots, but i know going in the 3 high series for the night aren't all going to be in the 700's. Ths or a 51' sport shot all i ask is for more lane conditioner to be able to compete with the guys able to overpower the condition

back to it · « **Reply #43 on:** September 23, 2016, 02:18:38 AM »

Quote from: SVstar34 on September 20, 2016, 06:11:12 PM

You've obviously never bowled on a short sport pattern then. The length of oil is not the main issue.

I have to use "entry" level balls on our 41' house shot where I live. However when I go back to my hometown and bowl on a 38' shot i can use mid-range equipment.

There are too many variables from center to center to have a minimum guideline and it would cost too much money to apply
[/quote

Obviously you missed where i stated ive bowled many sport shots, but i know going in the 3 high series for the night aren't all going to be in the 700's. Ths or a 51' sport shot all i ask is for more lane conditioner to be able to compete with the guys able to overpower the condition

back to it · « **Reply #44 on:** September 23, 2016, 02:18:50 AM »

Quote from: SVstar34 on September 20, 2016, 06:11:12 PM

You've obviously never bowled on a short sport pattern then. The length of oil is not the main issue.

I have to use "entry" level balls on our 41' house shot where I live. However when I go back to my hometown and bowl on a 38' shot i can use mid-range equipment.

There are too many variables from center to center to have a minimum guideline and it would cost too much money to apply
[/quote

Obviously you missed where i stated ive bowled many sport shots, but i know going in the 3 high series for the night aren't all going to be in the 700's. Ths or a 51' sport shot all i ask is for more lane conditioner to be able to compete with the guys able to overpower the condition

Gene J Kanak · « **Reply #45 on:** September 23, 2016, 10:11:00 AM »

Quote from: back to it on September 23, 2016, 12:19:58 AM

If the high rev guy throwing 17+ has 4-6 boards to hit the pocket (with incredible carry),let us have the same (minus the pins flying around)

This is more like a golf situation. You want to be able to hang with the guys and gals who can bomb the ball 300+ yards off the tee, so you want senior tees instead of having to play from the tips.

I certainly get it, but there are is a problem. I don't think you're giving those 17+ high-rev guys credit for actually having any skill. It sounds like you're saying that they automatically have that advantage just by being high-rev, high-speed players. Take it from someone who dabbled with two-handed bowling for a year. Just because you can throw it fast and with a lot of hand, that doesn't mean you're going to score better. I am a much better one-handed player than I ever was with two, and my speed and rev rate are significantly lower as a one-handed player.

No matter what hand you use, approach you take, etc., etc., you still have to throw the ball toward a target with consistent speed, revs, etc. Yes, most house shots are quite easy, and many make the miss area quite large for stand left, throw right players. But everyone in the league has the option of trying to stand left and throwing right if they have the physical tools to do it. I agree that it's best if a league oil pattern is set up so that it can be attacked from multiple angles by bowlers of various styles, but it doesn't always work out that way.

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