Author Topic: Has the easy "THS" disappeared? (Read 2264 times)

Aloarjr810 · « **on:** April 16, 2010, 02:23:17 AM »

Has the easy "THS" disappeared?

There used to be all these posts complaining about the too easy houseshot.

But now theres more and more posts, from people wanting plastic and urethane balls. Because the shots are so bad, the oil is short, its too dry etc. Now everyone is digging out 5-10 yearold balls from the basement or backroom.

Has the easy houseshot died? or is the race for the best plastic & urethane ball just another bowling fad. Brought about because the pro's have used them a few times in some trendy old school ball tournaments.

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The Stroke · « **Reply #1 on:** April 16, 2010, 10:35:58 AM »

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But now theres more and more posts, from people wanting plastic and urethane balls. Because the shots are so bad, the oil is short, its too dry etc. Now everyone is digging out 5-10 yearold balls from the basement or backroom.

That''s because 2 things...

1) The average BR user watches the PBA and listens to others on BR and they want to to the next "hip" thing... Throw urethane like ciminelli even though they don''t roll the ball like him, Drill something RICO, etc.

2) The average league bowler doesn''t know how to adjust.
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Edited on 4/16/2010 10:36 AM

MrPerfect · « **Reply #2 on:** April 16, 2010, 11:12:38 AM »

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Has the easy "THS" disappeared?

There used to be all these posts complaining about the too easy houseshot.

But now theres more and more posts, from people wanting plastic and urethane balls. Because the shots are so bad, the oil is short, its too dry etc. Now everyone is digging out 5-10 yearold balls from the basement or backroom.

Has the easy houseshot died? or is the race for the best plastic & urethane ball just another bowling fad. Brought about because the pro's have used them a few times in some trendy old school ball tournaments.

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No, it's kind of depends on where you bowl, and when you bowl. I think the problem with these conditions is that the THS is still stupid easy for 1 or 2 games, it's when there are crazy amounts of breakdown all at once that super strong reactives can do to such light patterns.

For instance there are houses in my area that are always easy, but there are some houses this time of year that start to skimp on the oil, and with the warmer conditions create a nightmare for anyone with a hint of revs.

It's basically why I stay away from anything that isn't a sport league over the summer, because most alleys in my area use the summer to cut corners and costs.

It also doesn't hurt that they people that bowl summer leagues typically don't bowl over the fall/spring, so giving them some extra motion never hurts in trying to get them to become a donor over the fall/spring.

trash heap · « **Reply #3 on:** April 16, 2010, 11:27:16 AM »

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That''''s because 2 things...

1) The average BR user watches the PBA and listens to others on BR and they want to to the next "hip" thing... Throw urethane like ciminelli even though they don''''t roll the ball like him, Drill something RICO, etc.

2) The average league bowler doesn''''t know how to adjust.

Disagree.

1. It has nothing to do with the PBA. People using Urethane in today''s game has been around a long time...unfortunately the secret is out. As far as wanting to throw like Ciminelli, I bet most bowlers would be saying Cimin--who?

2. I agree with that statement...but those who can adjust are not your average league bowler.

What I have seen over the years is the amount of oil soaking balls being used by everyone. Bowlers are getting frustrated putting the ball through the nose on one shot, then proceed with a wash out on the next throw after adjusting. So they are looking for something not as aggresive.

Balls are so condition specific now. Trying to adjust with some equipment is the worst thing to do. It is like a golfer trying to use a putter as a driver.

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Edited on 4/16/2010 11:29 AM

The Stroke · « **Reply #4 on:** April 16, 2010, 11:41:35 AM »

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Disagree.

1. It has nothing to do with the PBA. People using Urethane in today''s game has been around a long time...unfortunately the secret is out. As far as wanting to throw like Ciminelli, I bet most bowlers would be saying Cimin--who?

cmon now, how many times have you logged onto BR on a monday and seen people posting about trying a RICO ball because someone was using it, or sarge easter grip, or the girard (boomer) layout, or urethane? It happens all the time bro.
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Russell · « **Reply #5 on:** April 16, 2010, 12:14:44 PM »

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But now theres more and more posts, from people wanting plastic and urethane balls. Because the shots are so bad, the oil is short, its too dry etc. Now everyone is digging out 5-10 yearold balls from the basement or backroom.

That''s because 2 things...

1) The average BR user watches the PBA and listens to others on BR and they want to to the next "hip" thing... Throw urethane like ciminelli even though they don''t roll the ball like him, Drill something RICO, etc.

2) The average league bowler doesn''t know how to adjust.
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Edited on 4/16/2010 10:36 AM

You're 1,000% right...those that disagree are simply in denial.
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kidlost2000 · « **Reply #6 on:** April 16, 2010, 12:29:00 PM »

"Has the easy houseshot died? or is the race for the best plastic & urethane ball just another bowling fad. Brought about because the pro's have used them a few times in some trendy old school ball tournaments. "

It's a trend in many cases and also an actual problem to some...kinda

If you took two 5 man teams of mid to higher average bowlers from today and their equipment back to any bowling ally from years back with the classic house shot, that we all remember so well, you will have many of the same complaints of today.

The main reason being the covers of todays bowling balls. They are very impressive and make the ball do a lot of great things for many bowlers. But when you have that many people on a pair of lanes throwing it, they begin to break down and transition very quickly.

I'm guilty of buying too many bowling balls and trying different things ect ect, but I've stocked up lately on more and more medium to lower end equipment because that is what I've been able to use consistently week in and week out with more success.

Mainly Brunswick stuff with polished PK17 and PK18 coverstocks. I can play the right side of the lane much longer with much more success then some of my newer bowling balls. Most of the other stuff I take is pearlized and gives me a great look. I will still take one of my more aggressive balls just incase, but more times then not it isn't needed.

Oh, and yes I have many balls drilled on the Rico pattern and they all roll really well. It is very similar to the USA pattern from years ago I had on a few Sapphire Zones.
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jbuzz31 · « **Reply #7 on:** April 16, 2010, 12:34:28 PM »

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"Has the easy houseshot died? or is the race for the best plastic & urethane ball just another bowling fad. Brought about because the pro's have used them a few times in some trendy old school ball tournaments. "

It's a trend in many cases and also an actual problem to some...kinda

If you took two 5 man teams of mid to higher average bowlers from today and their equipment back to any bowling ally from years back with the classic house shot, that we all remember so well, you will have many of the same complaints of today.

The main reason being the covers of todays bowling balls. They are very impressive and make the ball do a lot of great things for many bowlers. But when you have that many people on a pair of lanes throwing it, they begin to break down and transition very quickly.

I'm guilty of buying too many bowling balls and trying different things ect ect, but I've stocked up lately on more and more medium to lower end equipment because that is what I've been able to use consistently week in and week out with more success.

Mainly Brunswick stuff with polished PK17 and PK18 coverstocks. I can play the right side of the lane much longer with much more success then some of my newer bowling balls. Most of the other stuff I take is pearlized and gives me a great look. I will still take one of my more aggressive balls just incase, but more times then not it isn't needed.

Oh, and yes I have many balls drilled on the Rico pattern and they all roll really well. It is very similar to the USA pattern from years ago I had on a few Sapphire Zones.
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You have a valid point...........except I run into this problem........and I am a lefty.
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Steven · « **Reply #8 on:** April 16, 2010, 12:35:06 PM »

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You're 1,000% right...those that disagree are simply in denial.

I have to agree also.

I personally have no issues with Urethane. I currently have two Lane#1 Liberators, and I owned a couple of Storm Thunder Flash Pros (back in the day when Urethane with dynamic weight blocks was introduced). I've also owned several pancake block Hammer and Brunswick Urethane balls.

The bottom line is for what most of us consider to be a THS, you're going to score better with reactive resin equipment. You simply get more effective friction and angle of entry for most THS conditions.

My primary league is scratch where the median average is about 220. People will whine and that the averages are high because of cake conditions. But the reality is that for the most part the league is made up of decent bowlers, many of whom hold their own in Regionals.

From what I've seen, exactly two bowlers have experimented with the Natural as an alternative to their resin stuff. Both are higher rev players who do sometimes suffer from the unpredictable over/under we get with the second shift conditions. They've both had a hit-and-miss experience with Urethane in the league, and I see them both back to their traditional resin stuff.

If you want to experiment with Urethane equipment, go for it since there is no other way of knowing other than trying it yourself. But for most, it's not going to replace or significantly impact the use of their reactive resin arsenals.

trash heap · « **Reply #9 on:** April 16, 2010, 12:50:57 PM »

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cmon now, how many times have you logged onto BR on a monday and seen people posting about trying a RICO ball because someone was using it, or sarge easter grip, or the girard (boomer) layout, or urethane? It happens all the time bro.

Pay attention bro! You stated in your first point:

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1) The average BR user watches the PBA and listens to others on BR and they want to to the next "hip" thing... Throw urethane like ciminelli even though they don''t roll the ball like him, Drill something RICO, etc.

BR members have been throwing Plastic (XXXL) and Urethanes long before Ciminelli came on to the scene. I personally have an XXXL and Scout Hi-Flare Urethane. I have had them both for several years now. I have seen discussions on these balls on here over the years. This is nothing new to this site.

I can state the same thing about RICO layout. I have seen it discussed on here for some time. Nothing new or hip. Just another option for bowlers to try.

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ImakeA2srun · « **Reply #10 on:** April 16, 2010, 02:20:24 PM »

THS has not disapeared, it is alive and well. I cant remember the last time I bowled at a house and they were NOT walled up, with the exception of a couple of sweepers where they purposely made the lanes tough.

ImakeA2srun · « **Reply #11 on:** April 16, 2010, 02:24:43 PM »

Most of these guys posting about problems with THS and needing urethane, are 195 - 205 hack bowlers, that dont know how to adjust. Anyone thats good knows that on THS all you need is a clean release, a decent ball reaction,and feed the ball right. after all, they all come trucking back with my reactive equipment, lol.

stopncrank · « **Reply #12 on:** April 16, 2010, 02:46:39 PM »

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Most of these guys posting about problems with THS and needing urethane, are 195 - 205 hack bowlers, that dont know how to adjust. Anyone thats good knows that on THS all you need is a clean release, a decent ball reaction,and feed the ball right. after all, they all come trucking back with my reactive equipment, lol.

Yeah tell that to the PBA regional champion in my center thats averaging almost 20 pins lower than last year because of horrible conditions!! He averaged 230+ in the house across town, comes to HPBC this year and is barely breaking 210. Not your typical THS center here.
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ccrider · « **Reply #13 on:** April 16, 2010, 04:54:55 PM »

Hail no. In my Sunday night league, there were 4 300''s shot last week. I even shot a decent series for a change.
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Edited on 4/16/2010 4:59 PM

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