You don't pay a sanction fee for your league to MSBL, but I'm guessing you pay an entry fee into the tournaments with no ROI, other than probably a bat bag that they either got donated or at a highly discounted rate, correct?

Yes a yearly fee that the team pays. We also get insurance in case someone is injured on the field. The league officials set up umpires and team / league schedules...The usbc does not offer that or do that. You cant compare the two. The baseball league also gets the fields permits from town fields and school fields. Does the usbc arrange bowling centers? For the fee that the baseball players pay we get back way more then what usbc offers. We get fields, schedules, insurance, umpires, discount on uniforms and gear a league / national magazine, prizes, tournaments etc...there is no comparison. For the usbc membership what do we get? What do they do? The MSBL also donates to cancer research...does the usbc? MSBL membership is up every year. They run leagues 18 and over 25 and over, 35+ 45+ and 52+...Again their membership is up...why is the usbc membership down. People have to stop thinking that the usbc is some sort of security blanket and the league bowling will end if the usbc is not involved...The league will still be there! Take a look at the UBA...Im pretty sure they run their own organization and they are doing well as far as I know.

Yes a yearly fee that the team pays. We also get insurance in case someone is injured on the field. The league officials set up umpires and team / league schedules...The usbc does not offer that or do that. You cant compare the two. The baseball league also gets the fields permits from town fields and school fields. Does the usbc arrange bowling centers? For the fee that the baseball players pay we get back way more then what usbc offers. We get fields, schedules, insurance, umpires, discount on uniforms and gear a league / national magazine, prizes, tournaments etc...there is no comparison. For the usbc membership what do we get? What do they do? The MSBL also donates to cancer research...does the usbc? MSBL membership is up every year. They run leagues 18 and over 25 and over, 35+ 45+ and 52+...Again their membership is up...why is the usbc membership down. People have to stop thinking that the usbc is some sort of security blanket and the league bowling will end if the usbc is not involved...The league will still be there! Take a look at the UBA...Im pretty sure they run their own organization and they are doing well as far as I know.

 OK.
 For $26 a year you get all that. Sounds like a great deal.

 Now, tell me what the USBC could do if we all paid $26 a year instead of $10?  According to your theory, they would just waste it. And you might be right. But, there is no other way to find out other than do it and see.

 I also get that you're fed up with them, and you have that right. When people, or organizations, do dumb things, they deserve to be called on it. But, I believe that with the way things have gotten in the last few years, USBC has seen the other side where they could become obsolete if they under perform or under achieve, and I don't think they would let that happen.

 I could be wrong, but we should try it to find out, shouldn't we, at least before we totally abandon ship?

Yes a yearly fee that the team pays.

" The national MSBL registration fee is $26 per player and that is paid once per year.All other funds are handled at the local level."

That says per player. so no different than USBC. A national fee + local fees.

The league officials set up umpires and team / league schedules...The usbc does not offer that or do that.

The bowling league officials set the leagues schedules (the USBC has league schedules that leagues can use) as for umpires bowling has foul judges if the league would appoint them.

The baseball league also gets the fields permits from town fields and school fields. Does the usbc arrange bowling centers?

USBC sanctions houses

You cant compare the two.

Just did.

People have to stop thinking that the usbc is some sort of security blanket and the league bowling will end if the usbc is not involved...The league will still be there! .

If the Usbc ends no the leagues won't end.

But as time goes by they will all change and a lot not for the better. If you think the house proprietors or the ball companies can do whatever they want now, see what happens with actual zero regulation.

Now you'll probably have lots of little local associations spring up as time goes by. But the standards from house to house will become different as time passes.

Until those local assoc. start joining together and form a larger one (just like how the ABC/Usbc got started) and set the standards everyone uses.

When that happens it won't be any different then, people are going be saying "I'm paying too much and not getting enough back.".

UBA all day. For those that don't know what I'm talking about. You should look into the Underground Bowling Association. Jerseys, nicknames, tour stops, singles, doubles, trios, handicap, scratch, money, money, and money!

UBA:

What is my financial commitment for starting a UBA Team/Franchise?
"To form/create an official UBA Team/Franchise you are going to need a minimum of $700.00. This $700.00 covers the creation of your official UBA team logo, your $125.00�processing�fee and it also covers your first 10 UBA team jerseys.

There is also a yearly $400.00 Franchise Fee"

Team size:
How many bowlers do I need to start a team?
Nine (But we highly suggest that you have at least 15 people.)

Okay the Usbc could do that and offer the same things, they just got to drop the $15-$20 sanction fee.

Then just get the 9-15 players for your team, pay $700 up front and the team pay about $400 sanction fee every year there after, USBC is good to go then!

Lets see with 9 players that works out to a bout $44 a year

The MSBL, UBA offer more because they charge more.

Everybody wants the USBC to offer more by charging less.

Quote from: tkkshop on January 17, 2016, 10:22:49 AM

UBA all day. For those that don't know what I'm talking about. You should look into the Underground Bowling Association. Jerseys, nicknames, tour stops, singles, doubles, trios, handicap, scratch, money, money, and money!

UBA:

What is my financial commitment for starting a UBA Team/Franchise?
"To form/create an official UBA Team/Franchise you are going to need a minimum of $700.00. This $700.00 covers the creation of your official UBA team logo, your $125.00�processing�fee and it also covers your first 10 UBA team jerseys.

There is also a yearly $400.00 Franchise Fee"

Team size:
How many bowlers do I need to start a team?
Nine (But we highly suggest that you have at least 15 people.)

Okay the Usbc could do that and offer the same things, they just got to drop the $15-$20 sanction fee.

Then just get the 9-15 players for your team, pay $700 up front and the team pay about $400 sanction fee every year there after, USBC is good to go then!

Lets see with 9 players that works out to a bout $44 a year

The MSBL, UBA offer more because they charge more.

Everybody wants the USBC to offer more by charging less.

minimum of 9 bowlers. The team I'm on has 30 bowlers. Some teams have a hundred bowlers. There is no limit.

From what I read UBA isn't trying to be a governing body.  Their handicap tournaments call for you to use your highest USBC book average.

UBA is not a substitute for the USBC. 

If the UBA is all about what I saw on the video on their homepage, then no thanks.