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ITZPS

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Tournament Ethics/Rules
« on: March 07, 2017, 06:11:43 AM »
Our city tournament here recently concluded, and once again I feel like I got shafted.  Tournament ran for 4 weekends, on the 3rd weekend someone bowled team, the only event they intended on bowling, but did well and saw how low the all events lead was, and entered doubles and singles for the 4th weekend to make a run at it.  They ended up edging me out by 1 pin 2127-2126. 

I'm the absolute king of 2nd place, I can count on one hand the number of times I've won something, but I need a millipede to count all the times I've gotten 2nd in something, and the ways I'm getting 2nd keep getting more creative.  I also finished in second for doubles this year.  Am I just salty about getting 2nd again and looking for anything I can to complain about or do I have a legitimate gripe here?  Thanks. 
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Re: Tournament Ethics/Rules
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2017, 06:21:44 AM »
As long as tournaments allow last minute entries into events this can happen.

I've had several 2nd place finishes over the years but you have to take it with the idea that you bowled good and simply got beat by one or two people.

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Re: Tournament Ethics/Rules
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2017, 06:33:14 AM »
Salty, unless the rules didn't allow entries after the tournament started, but in that case they could have just subbed for someone to be able to bowl.  So salty with no legit gripe.

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Re: Tournament Ethics/Rules
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2017, 06:58:37 AM »
I'd hope for any tournament that has openings with bowlers wanting to fill spots and give them money they would accept.  If the rules don't have any kind of deadline for entries then there's nothing to complain about.

We have two local associations. One has a deadline the other does not.


It's putting more money into the prize fund, why not allow it.
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Re: Tournament Ethics/Rules
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2017, 07:56:47 AM »
As long as they paid the All Events part of the entry fee before they bowled team, then I don't see an issue.
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Re: Tournament Ethics/Rules
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2017, 08:27:42 AM »
As long as they paid the All Events part of the entry fee before they bowled team, then I don't see an issue.

This is my question.  I may be wrong, but not sure you can change your mind on all events entry after bowling an event.  It would be no whether the games were as you stated or normal on the same weekend with the bowler already entered in the events.  You can't decide to get into all events once you have bowled "well" for one event.

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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2017, 08:34:54 AM »
And if we are talking about getting screwed, here is my entry.  Last year at state, I had a great tournament.  Did well in team on Sat. and on Sun. my dad came to watch.  He was a prominent bowler in his time and I hadn't been able to shoot an award score in front of him.  Well, for doubles I shoot 821 and I do well for singles.  The whole time he was checking the all events scores to see where I would end up. 

After all was said and done, I shoot 2295 and take over 1st place for scratch all events on the last shift of the tournament.  My dad was ecstatic and so happy to see me do this.  But then comes the catch.  The year before I had a finger injury and my average wasn't as high as it usually is.  The captain of our team didn't notice it either just assuming I was in the scratch division.  Well, I wasn't put in the scratch division and my score (with my measly 1 pin handicap) wasn't enough to win Division 1.

Needless to say I was upset at the situation.  I could have voluntarily put myself in the Scratch division and I would have since that is the division I always enter and there is more prestige.  But alas, I am stuck with my 3rd place finish in Division 1.  At least I still shot 821 for my dad.

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Re: Tournament Ethics/Rules
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2017, 09:14:41 AM »
Half the time tho, a consistent 2nd is better than tom, dick, and Harry, shooting lights out to win one event their entire life. You're still the Man to beat. 

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Re: Tournament Ethics/Rules
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2017, 09:19:04 AM »
As mentioned above, they should make it to where you have to decide what you're bowling in before bowling any of them.
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Re: Tournament Ethics/Rules
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2017, 09:50:12 AM »
The entry deadline for the tournament is midnight the day before the tournament starts.  His all events fee wasn't paid in advance as he had no intention of bowling more than just team.  He saw he had a good set in team so then signed up for doubles and singles and all events for the final weekend after bowling team. 

I'm just not sure about waiting until after testing the water in team to decide to add all events or not . . because if everyone could do that, you'd have a lot of people shooting 550 and then opting not to enter all events if they didn't think they had a chance.  It would be like allowing someone to bowl their first set in doubles or singles before deciding if they wanted in the 6 game combine or not. 

I'm probably just salty.  Things are so good in the pro shop that I don't get to bowl many tournaments to begin with, and then when every second place finish I get is more creative than the last one, it's just got me pissed off.  Things are actually pretty good, I just miss being able to have some personal success with my own bowling.  Thanks for the replies.
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Re: Tournament Ethics/Rules
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2017, 10:02:52 AM »
The entry deadline for the tournament is midnight the day before the tournament starts.  His all events fee wasn't paid in advance as he had no intention of bowling more than just team.  He saw he had a good set in team so then signed up for doubles and singles and all events for the final weekend after bowling team. 

I'm just not sure about waiting until after testing the water in team to decide to add all events or not . . because if everyone could do that, you'd have a lot of people shooting 550 and then opting not to enter all events if they didn't think they had a chance.  It would be like allowing someone to bowl their first set in doubles or singles before deciding if they wanted in the 6 game combine or not. 

I'm probably just salty.  Things are so good in the pro shop that I don't get to bowl many tournaments to begin with, and then when every second place finish I get is more creative than the last one, it's just got me pissed off.  Things are actually pretty good, I just miss being able to have some personal success with my own bowling.  Thanks for the replies.

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Re: Tournament Ethics/Rules
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2017, 10:03:25 AM »
The entry deadline for the tournament is midnight the day before the tournament starts.  His all events fee wasn't paid in advance as he had no intention of bowling more than just team.

This is a good argument based on fact.  I, personally, would bring this up b/c you got hosed.

He saw he had a good set in team so then signed up for doubles and singles and all events for the final weekend after bowling team.

This is exactly why the "entry deadline" (or in this tournaments' case....we know there is no enforced deadline so it doesn't exist) exists. 

I'm just not sure about waiting until after testing the water in team to decide to add all events or not . . because if everyone could do that, you'd have a lot of people shooting 550 and then opting not to enter all events if they didn't think they had a chance.  It would be like allowing someone to bowl their first set in doubles or singles before deciding if they wanted in the 6 game combine or not.

Yeah, pretty much. 

I'm probably just salty.

I don't know....I think you have an argument. 

Things are so good in the pro shop that I don't get to bowl many tournaments to begin with, and then when every second place finish I get is more creative than the last one, it's just got me pissed off.  Things are actually pretty good, I just miss being able to have some personal success with my own bowling.  Thanks for the replies.

I will add this......I do think you have a better argument to the tournament staff than those against the kid do as I think your opponent has actually a tangible advantage here as opposed to the clothes he wore (which would provide no "advantage").  You were actually "punished" by the decision whereas those in compliance w/the dress code, I PERSONALLY don't feel were "punished" by the kid wearing whatever. 

I'll put it in these term: I wouldn't care what other people wear at nationals (even though there are rules on it) b/c I don't feel it affects me whereas if they could register for events later I would feel I got hosed.  I'm not being punished by what others wear.  Some may counter with, "then don't have a dress code for nationals", I'm down with that too.
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Re: Tournament Ethics/Rules
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2017, 10:44:33 AM »
It should be ILLEGAL in any tournament to enter all-events AFTER you have even bowled 1 frame. You should file a protest. If nothing else, you may not get it reversed this year, but you might get it in the rules for future years to protect others.
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Re: Tournament Ethics/Rules
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2017, 10:51:19 AM »
Our city tournament is two weekends with D/S and team events all shifts.  All events has a separate prize fund.  Our rule is that a bowler can't enter all events after he's thrown the first ball in competition.  --  JohnP

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Re: Tournament Ethics/Rules
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2017, 10:53:14 AM »
Man, it's a good thing Mighty Fish isn't still here, he would have a field day with this one.  ;D
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